From: abahn@comcast.net
Date: Sat Sep 20 2003 - 21:22:58 BST
Matt, David and others,
I will just throw a few of my pacifist views. Saving jews was justified.
Stopping Hitler was justified. But anyone will have a hard time convincing me
that all the acts performed by the allied armies and individuals affiliated with
them was justified. Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Dresden are a few examples of
indiscriminate killing of civilians that can never be justified in my view. In
this sense wars are NEVER just. War is always hell. And citizens, nations and
communities all over the world glorify war. This disrespect for life and
dynamic quality is a problem that will not be going away anytime soon. I don't
know if we need new principles or what, but I know we need something.
Oh, don't get me started...
Andy
> Matt and all those interested in historical accuracy:
>
> Matt said:
> The same goes for war. I agree with Michael Walzer that there are just and
> unjust wars. I'm no hawk, but neither am I an ignorant pacifist who thinks
> that entering into WW II was unjustifiable. I don't care if we went into WW
> II to help the Jews or not. I don't care if their genocide was the direct,
> or even indirect, cause of our entrance. The fact is, we did go into WW II
> and we did save a lot of Jews. That, I think, is reason enough, if even
> retrospectively, to view WW II as a justifiable war. Sometimes, on rarer
> and rarer occasions, military action can be justified.
>
> dmb says:
> Pardon me for butting in with a tanget, but I just want to point out that
> the USA was attacked by the Japanese at Pearl Harbor and Germany declared
> war on the USA a few days later. Entering WW2 was hardly a matter of choice,
> so let's not pretend we did it for moral reasons. The fact is that millions
> of right-wing Americans were very sympathetic to Hitler's cause. Not that
> anyone here has said otherwise, but it still seems worth pointing this out.
> Thanks.
>
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