RE: MD A metaphysics

From: Ian Glendinning (ian@psybertron.org)
Date: Sun Sep 21 2003 - 10:00:32 BST

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    David, David and Matt, ..

    DMB said
    I'm only asking you to explain what you post here. Why is that such a
    difficult point to grasp? Why should it bother you....Pulling teeth is a
    breeze by
    comparison.

    Ian says
    Remember our "I don't do long mails" spat, DMB ? I don't do long dialectical
    arguments, etc ?

    I think this is my Catch22 again (What ? I hear you say).
    I said I owed you an essay, but for now
    I genuinely believe it is difficult (for some of us at least) to apply
    simple (logical, dialectical, SOMist) rationale to argue pragmatist / MoQist
    points. It's very frustrating, and no doubt sounds like a cop out, arrogant
    even, but I'm genuine. I'm sure Matt is genuine too, just frustrated
    perhaps.

    Ian

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    [mailto:owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk]On Behalf Of David Buchanan
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    Subject: RE: MD A metaphysics

    Matt and all:

    DMB had said:
    How do my repeated pleas for ordinary language make me look arrogant?
    ...Should I really have to read a set of books simply to carry on a
    conversation? No, that's not reasonable.

    Matt replied:
    Is it reasonable that an adult trying to carry on an adult conversation
    about basketball should have to repeatedly, over and over again, explain in
    simplistic terms the rules of basketball to a child because the child wants
    to participate? ...I've tried to play the teacher...,I'm just not offering
    Phil 101 this semester.

    dmb said:
    This analogy is excessively insulting, but that's not what bothers me. I'm
    not asking you to teach philosophy 101, I'm only asking you to explain what
    you post here. Why is that such a difficult point to grasp? Why should it
    bother you. I'm always happy to explain what I mean and so is most everyone
    else. It seems like you're incapable of expressing yourself and fly into a
    narcissistic rage whenever you're asked to do so. You should take your own
    advice. If you don't want to even try to explain things in terms accessable
    to non-Rortyites then just ignore me. Why bother with the insults? I've
    tried to import some critics of Rorty just so you can see that I'm not
    entirely alone with my questions, but you usually just end up insulting them
    too. As the lurkers have so recently suggested, jargon only puts people off.
    It locks them out. I honestly don't know why this obvious point so elusive
    to you. Is it just a matter of pride at this point? You won't do it just
    because it is ME asking you to do it? C'mon, Matt. Put your ego in the
    freezer for a night, will you? Jeeez. Pulling teeth is a breeze by
    comparison.

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