RE: MD Four options - let's not pretend

From: Ian Glendinning (ian@psybertron.org)
Date: Sun Sep 21 2003 - 10:33:23 BST

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    DMB, you said
    Entering WW2 was hardly a matter of choice,
    so let's not pretend we did it for moral reasons.

    David, I agree, this is a good illustration of why I resist logical /
    dialectical reasoning based explanations wherever possible.
    It's pretense to "reason", (in all but the simplest controlled physical
    cases) so let's not waste our time here.

    Ian

    -----Original Message-----
    From: owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk
    [mailto:owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk]On Behalf Of David Buchanan
    Sent: 20 September 2003 20:57
    To: 'moq_discuss@moq.org'
    Subject: RE: MD Four options

    Matt and all those interested in historical accuracy:

    Matt said:
    The same goes for war. I agree with Michael Walzer that there are just and
    unjust wars. I'm no hawk, but neither am I an ignorant pacifist who thinks
    that entering into WW II was unjustifiable. I don't care if we went into WW
    II to help the Jews or not. I don't care if their genocide was the direct,
    or even indirect, cause of our entrance. The fact is, we did go into WW II
    and we did save a lot of Jews. That, I think, is reason enough, if even
    retrospectively, to view WW II as a justifiable war. Sometimes, on rarer
    and rarer occasions, military action can be justified.

    dmb says:
    Pardon me for butting in with a tanget, but I just want to point out that
    the USA was attacked by the Japanese at Pearl Harbor and Germany declared
    war on the USA a few days later. Entering WW2 was hardly a matter of choice,
    so let's not pretend we did it for moral reasons. The fact is that millions
    of right-wing Americans were very sympathetic to Hitler's cause. Not that
    anyone here has said otherwise, but it still seems worth pointing this out.
    Thanks.

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