From: Ian Glendinning (ian@psybertron.org)
Date: Sun Sep 21 2003 - 23:55:37 BST
Matt
As one pragmatist to another can I plea that you pull yourself together.
This pro / anti-Rorty argument never needed a "winner".
Interestingly, you may have noticed that your frustration is in fact my
starting point.
Namely - no motivation to answer a "good question" just to pursue someone
else's dialectic.
I hope you'll keep sharing your views your way.
Not all questions require answers.
Life's too short.
Ian
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk
[mailto:owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk]On Behalf Of MATTHEW PAUL KUNDERT
Sent: 21 September 2003 23:02
To: moq_discuss@moq.org
Subject: Re: MD A metaphysics--Resignation
David,
David said:
I want what we can't talk about easily to be at the forefront of our
thoughts where as the pragmatist wants to forget about it.
Matt:
I think that forgets about the poetic half of Rorty's pragmatism. Poets are
those who push our language forward so that we can talk more and more easily
about more and more different things. Poets, on Rorty's view, create more
and more things to talk about.
Uh, I was going to say a lot more about this and some other things about
DMB's reading of Rorty and philosophy and society, but I just wanted to put
up the white flag, send in my resignation, announce my defeat: DMB has done
it. He has won. With the help of other beligerents, he has finally worn me
out. Through one of the must extensive attrition campaigns I have ever seen
mounted at this forum, I have lost all that kept me going. I still think
DMB is wrong about me and Rorty (and Pirsig), however, now that he has
posted some potentially good questions, I have lost the will to even
respond. It takes energy to take a beating like the one I've received and
to continue to write some (what I, and perhaps alone, consider to be) good
philosophy. I just don't have the time and energy to do it. I don't have
the energy now to muster up and flesh out the good and relevant arguments I
see in that I should use against the attacks.
I don't have the energy, and I don't see the point. I've never been so
naive to think that people like Platt and DMB would ever really change there
stance towards Rorty. People don't have chips on their shoulders like the
ones they have and change. That's fine, my polemics were mainly aimed at
trying to convince others not to believe them. But that's over now. I'm
just going to drop almost everything that I should respond to. One more
post on "strong misreadings" and that's it. I'll leave them alone and
hopefully they'll leave me alone. (All that means is that I refuse to enter
a dialogue with them: when I comment on them, and they reply, I won't reply
back and when they comment on me, I won't reply back. All this is
contingent on them having stupid comments, though.) I can hear all the
catcalls now, but ya' know what? It just doesn't matter. This last month
has been one of the most disappointing months I have ever had on the MD. It
has been, almost resoundingly
so, an utter waste of time for me. I don't think I've ever wanted to say
that before, but I do it now. I have things I want to do with Pirsig, I
don't have time to apologize myself enough room to do it. Like I told
people before, there's an infinite amount of room here. You shouldn't need
to clear yourself some space.
Matt
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