From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Wed Sep 24 2003 - 00:08:24 BST
Andy,
> And I am aware of the principle in logic where no statement
> can be both true and false. There has been further work in logic (more
> than a half century ago)proving that NO axiomatic system can be both
> consistent and complete (Godel). This is why your brilliant rational
> questioning of all inconsistent statements such as "There are no
> absolutes" is also an absolute is true, but trivial to me. And it is
> why self-referential inconsistencies really don't concern me. What we
> are trying to do in discussions, which is different from logic, is
> persuade people. We are not offering proofs and trying to avoid all
> inconsistencies. This is why it is ludicrous to point out that arguing
> for philosophy to stay out of politics is imposing a philosophical
> position into politics. Yes, it is correct but it offers nothing
> constructive to the discussion. It shuts off any effective dialogue.
If you think you can have an effective dialogue with someone who is
irrational, I suggest you try out your powers of persuasion at an
insane asylum.
> You can walk away with a smug look on your face saying "I was correct--I
> really am brilliant" and the disscussion is ended right there. You
> might call this rational, but I think it is just plain stupid.
Think what you will. There's no point having a discussion with anyone
who believes name calling is persuasive.
Platt
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