From: David MOREY (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Wed Sep 24 2003 - 19:32:50 BST
Matt
yes, but if we successfully re-tell the stories about Platonic philosophy,
scientism, metaphysico-epistemology, and the onto-theological, and transform
these things, then you and Rorty might have to switch sides due to your
values, I agree
that these things have had very bad days, but with onto-theology I can
really smell the possibility of a very new kind
of god, and I think all the values we share might find better shelter with
some positive story about the cosmos
than with the hope that being post-metaphysics is going to make us act more
humanly. And you pragmatists have
nothing to stand on other than your hope, my hope is just different and
saying things have had bad days does not mean they can't have good days
again, whereas I want to say that we have had a metaphysics of being and
missed half of reality called
becoming, and at heart, that is what Rorty is doing by saying things are not
reducible to being, and Pirsig says we should call SQ/DQ quality. The
metaphysics of Be(com)ing ackowledges the utter impossibility of closure,
why does pragmatism
assume closure is impossible?
regards
DM
----- Original Message -----
From: "MATTHEW PAUL KUNDERT" <mpkundert@students.wisc.edu>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: MD A metaphysics--Resignation
> David,
>
> David said:
> If we could all be ironists perhaps it could be good, but even I fancy
some positive philosophy sometimes. You can only be ironic when we have some
stories to be ironic about.
>
> Matt:
> Disenchantment isn't about being ironic, its about making the contingent
turn (which is only one part of being ironic). Rorty doesn't think we can
all be ironic all of the time because, like you say, we have to have stories
to be ironic about. Rorty's not against "positive" philosophy (in the
Sellarsian sense of seeing how things, in the widest sense, hang together,
in the widest sense) or poetry or literature, he's against Platonic
philosophy, scientism, metaphysico-epistemology, and the onto-theological
tradition.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
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