From: David Buchanan (DBuchanan@ClassicalRadio.org)
Date: Mon Oct 06 2003 - 22:19:10 BST
Andy, Jim and all:
Andy said: I just wanted to point out to DMB how Jim has taken a slogan or
metaphor from Campbell (journeys and paths) and twisted it to suit his own
purposes. I think he makes a point that we might want to listen to, but it
has little reflection on Campbell's ideas. I want to suggest that his
interpretation of Campbell is not based on any clear understanding of what
Campbell says. Of course, I suggest this because I think David has done the
same thing with Rorty. Jim may not want to read Campbell and the slogans
that Campbell fans banter about may have helped pursuade him that Campbell
has nothing meaningful to say. We can try to pursaude him differently, by
giving him a better understanding of Campbell's message, but I have a
feeling it won't do much good.
dmb says:
For the moment, I'd only point out that neither "journey" nor "path" is
anything like a slogan and their meaning is a mystery to nobody. No slogans
or esoteric jargon was used, let alone bantered about, and the language used
could have beeen understood by anyone with access to a dictionary. Further,
the explantion was entirely within the context of discussing the MOQ,
specifically the Zen view of intellect. No questions have been asked about
it. No clarifications have been requested. I'm truly baffled that you'd even
compare explanations of Campbell and Rorty in this way. Really. If you think
they are the same, Andy, then you haven't understood my complaints about
slogans at all.
"Mores, determinanats, norms... these were the jargon terms of sociology
into which they converted things they wanted to attack. That's how you know
when you're within a walled city, Phaedrus thought. The jargon. They've cut
themselves off from the rest of the world and are speaking a jargon only
they can really understand." (Chapter 5 of Lila.)
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