Re: MD Intellectual level - New letter from Pirsig

From: Sam Norton (elizaphanian@tiscali.co.uk)
Date: Mon Oct 06 2003 - 12:05:48 BST

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    Hi David,

    I missed this in my first run through.

    I think I would want to echo Augustine - that in God we find our freedom, ie in the ability to be
    open to DQ (and where it directs us) we are no longer bound by the static (social and intellectual)
    patterns which have formed us. As such, if we have agency, then yes, I think it probably does
    partake of the infinite.

    I'm afraid I don't see the logic behind your last question - but it sounds interesting!

    Sam

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "David MOREY" <us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk>
    To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 7:08 PM
    Subject: Re: MD Intellectual level - New letter from Pirsig

    > Sam
    >
    > Seems to me that it is here that we start to be unable
    > to draw a line between Man/Being/God. Is that what you're
    > thinking? Can't see how you can't begin ontologically with agency, what is
    > very strange is that there is a patterned, repeating, static, finite
    > cosmos. Pure agency is surely infinite, we may say divine,
    > and free. Yet we have a cosmos of repeating patterns and
    > continued emergent creation. Seems to me that you get
    > patterns/repetition if you sacrifice your agency, if you value
    > what has been created, enough to do it again, loving it,
    > allowing it to endure. Is there any alternative to this approach
    > that does not produce a non-aware cosmos in any form?
    >
    > regards
    > David Morey
    >
    >
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "Sam Norton" <elizaphanian@tiscali.co.uk>
    > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 6:15 PM
    > Subject: Re: MD Intellectual level - New letter from Pirsig
    >
    >
    > > Hi Paul, anyone,
    > >
    > > Just while I'm working on a few things relating to this.... ;-)
    > >
    > > In his letter to you, Pirsig writes:
    > > > You have to cut it off somewhere, and it seems to me the
    > > > greatest meaning can be given to the intellectual level if it is
    > > > confined to the skilled manipulation of abstract symbols that have no
    > > > corresponding particular experience and which behave according to rules
    > > > of their own.
    > >
    > > Do you have any idea about who or what might be *doing* the manipulation
    > (ie, who or what has the
    > > 'skill')? Or is it that the symbols react to Quality on their own, without
    > an intermediary? Or
    > > something else?
    > >
    > > Sam
    > >
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