Re: MD Re: MOQ:What is a person.

From: Patrick van den Berg (cirandar@yahoo.com)
Date: Sat Oct 11 2003 - 18:12:29 BST

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    Hi again David H,

    > I don't think that Dynamic Quality is an object that 'contains' things
    > inside
    > it or is contained by any object.
    >
    > I think Dynamic Quality and Static Quality Are in opposition to each
    > other,
    > but they also need each other to survive. If static patterns are
    > overly
    > Static and require blind obedience then they suppress Dynamic change,
    > while
    > on the other hand if Dynamic change is too powerful and fluid then I
    > believe
    > chaos can emerge. This is what I think Pirsig was talking about when
    > he said
    > that the culture needs the tension between both the Brujo and the
    > Priests to
    > survive.

    Okay, that's clear.

    >
    > > It's true that 'scientific knowledge' agrees with the notion that
    > the
    > > patterns contain the self, not vice versa. When you study attention
    > with
    > > fMRI or EEG, you see resp. parts of the brain and electromagnetic
    > > waveforms that are linked to the act of attention. So what our
    > selves
    > > 'will' or 'decide', is not by action of an I on the brain, itself
    > > independend of it's own brain, but the action of neural patterns.
    >
    > As I know little of fMRI or EEG it is difficult to comment on this,
    > however I
    > would have thought that classical scientific knowledge claims that an
    > SOM
    > object contains the self who's acknowledgement of Dynamic Quality is
    > nonexistent.

    Sorry, I don't understand this remark. Do you mean that SOM would view
    the self as a static, fixed entity?

    Greetings, Patrick

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