Re: MD Re: MOQ:What is a person.

From: David Harding (davidharding@optusnet.com.au)
Date: Sun Oct 12 2003 - 01:27:22 BST

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    On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 03:12 am, Patrick van den Berg wrote:
    > Hi again David H,
    >
    > > I don't think that Dynamic Quality is an object that 'contains' things
    > > inside
    > > it or is contained by any object.
    > >
    > > I think Dynamic Quality and Static Quality Are in opposition to each
    > > other,
    > > but they also need each other to survive. If static patterns are
    > > overly
    > > Static and require blind obedience then they suppress Dynamic change,
    > > while
    > > on the other hand if Dynamic change is too powerful and fluid then I
    > > believe
    > > chaos can emerge. This is what I think Pirsig was talking about when
    > > he said
    > > that the culture needs the tension between both the Brujo and the
    > > Priests to
    > > survive.
    >
    > Okay, that's clear.
    >
    > > > It's true that 'scientific knowledge' agrees with the notion that
    > >
    > > the
    > >
    > > > patterns contain the self, not vice versa. When you study attention
    > >
    > > with
    > >
    > > > fMRI or EEG, you see resp. parts of the brain and electromagnetic
    > > > waveforms that are linked to the act of attention. So what our
    > >
    > > selves
    > >
    > > > 'will' or 'decide', is not by action of an I on the brain, itself
    > > > independend of it's own brain, but the action of neural patterns.
    > >
    > > As I know little of fMRI or EEG it is difficult to comment on this,
    > > however I
    > > would have thought that classical scientific knowledge claims that an
    > > SOM
    > > object contains the self who's apprehension of Dynamic Quality is
    > > nonexistent.
    >
    > Sorry, I don't understand this remark. Do you mean that SOM would view
    > the self as a static, fixed entity?
    >
    > Greetings, Patrick
    >

    Hi Patrick,

    To me, SOM Scientists say that 'a person' is an object who follows strict laws
    of cause and effect and that any ideas of 'the self' are an illusion, as all
    ideas have no mass or energy and as such are nonexistent. I would think
    however that the laws of science have no mass or energy themselves either
    thus making the laws of science a Scientific impossibility.

    Regards,
    David Harding

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