Re: MD Self-consciousness

From: David MOREY (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Sun Oct 26 2003 - 15:25:23 GMT

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    Paul:
    In the passage above, I think "awareness" correlates with Quality, the
    "process of selection" correlates with static patterns emerging from
    ongoing Dynamic Quality and the "process of discrimination" correlates
    with intellect. Consciousness is then the sum total of intellectual
    patterns after they have been "pre-selected," described in terms of an
    individual or as a level in its entirety.

    To "see" or experience the "process of selection" directly and not hang
    on to the results of this process as reality [and thus achieve
    "awareness"] is what, I think, Buddha taught.

    I think I agree with this entirely, I wonder what Scott thinks.
    But there is no way of saying that consciousness is on the outside
    of any of this, sure it is clearly more or less aware of certain parts
    of reality, but reality is somehow always there and available to
    consciousness, in fact reality equals what is available to consciousness,
    otherwise it is not part of any reality we can talk about. Heidegger
    states this by seeing consciousness/human existence as a 'clearing'
    where being happens. I think the distinction between DQ and SQ
    has to break down at this level. At most I see SQ as a withdrawal
    of DQ. Truth for Heidegger is aletheia, or un-covering, and for me
    this implies getting back from what we have selected in our
    day to day forms of awareness, to the whole quality of awareness
    prior to the alienation of the one into many parts.

    regards
    David M

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Paul Turner" <paulj.turner@ntlworld.com>
    To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 1:54 PM
    Subject: RE: MD Self-consciousness

    > Hi Scott [and anyone else following this thread]
    >
    > This excerpt from ZMM may help clarify my understanding of consciousness
    > in the MOQ:
    >
    > "All the time we are aware of millions of things around us...these
    > changing shapes, these burning hills, the sound of the engine, the feel
    > of the throttle, each rock and weed and fence post and piece of debris
    > beside the road...aware of these things but not really conscious of them
    > unless there is something unusual or unless they reflect something we
    > are predisposed to see. We could not possibly be conscious of these
    > things and remember all of them because our mind would be so full of
    > useless details we would be unable to think. From all this AWARENESS we
    > must select, and what we select and call CONSCIOUSNESS is never the same
    > as the awareness because the PROCESS OF SELECTION mutates it. We take a
    > handful of sand from the endless landscape of awareness around us and
    > call that handful of sand the world.
    >
    > Once we have the handful of sand, the world of which we are conscious, a
    > PROCESS OF DISCRIMINATION goes to work on it. This is the knife. We
    > divide the sand into parts. This and that. Here and there. Black and
    > white. Now and then. The discrimination is the division of the conscious
    > universe into parts." [ZMM p.82, My Caps]
    >
    > In the passage above, I think "awareness" correlates with Quality, the
    > "process of selection" correlates with static patterns emerging from
    > ongoing Dynamic Quality and the "process of discrimination" correlates
    > with intellect. Consciousness is then the sum total of intellectual
    > patterns after they have been "pre-selected," described in terms of an
    > individual or as a level in its entirety.
    >
    > To "see" or experience the "process of selection" directly and not hang
    > on to the results of this process as reality [and thus achieve
    > "awareness"] is what, I think, Buddha taught.
    >
    > Now, I think you associate consciousness with "the process of selection"
    > or with "awareness." What do you think?
    >
    > Paul
    >
    >
    >
    >
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