Re: MD What makes an idea dangerous?

From: skutvik@online.no
Date: Wed Oct 29 2003 - 09:10:21 GMT

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    On 27 Oct 2003 at 23:01, Wim Nusselder wrote:

    > According to me there are more valid MoQ views than one. I don't like
    > your suggestion that you can judge whether someone's input conforms to
    > 'the' MoQ view or not. I take you to mean that you appreciated my
    > input.

    Don't be so sensitive dear Wim, if we don't have a strong opinion of
    what the MOQ says what's the idea of discussing? Everything is
    opinion, but we can't put that the end of every sentence. More valid
    views than one? That is as much of an oxymoron as the "many
    truths". The truth concept excludes such a view ...in my ever so
    humble opinion.

    Lower down:

    > In my version of the MoQ

    When I used the same phrase earlier in the discussion it was all
    wrong so I sigh with our playwright Henrik Ibsen: "If I am the hammer
    or the nail, no matter they will wail". (translated at the spur of the
    moment)

    If Platt sees the two of us expressing some common view about social
    value I will not seek out differences. I will also try to navigate the
    minefield of correct phraseology, but bear with me if I don't meet the
    standards.

    Sincerely
    Bo

    PS
    > You seem to be talking about 'values' as 'things'.
    > I avoid 'values' (plural) and I avoid identification of individual
    > 'ideas' (e.g. 'the press should be free', 'speech should be free',
    > 'society should be democratic' and 'suspects should be tried by a
    > jury') as 'values' in a MoQ context. This usage of 'value' suggests
    > too much subject-object thinking (subjects ascribing 'value' to
    > objects). Reifying these 'values' and ascribing characteristics like
    > 'intellectual' and 'social' to them makes it even worse.

    There won't be much left to discuss if this is "canonized" ;-)

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