From: David MOREY (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Sun Nov 02 2003 - 22:47:27 GMT
David M said:
> A(truth) is attribute of B(things/facts) therefore it exists says
pragmatist
> A(truth) does not exist for pragmatists according to DMB
> A (truth) is a subjective quality for a pragmatist according to DMB, not
really but
> either way it still exists for a pragmatist ...why does DMB get offeneded
> because he thinks something does not exist for a pragmatist when the
> pragmatist does think it exists?
You can't see that I have tried to paraphrase what you said
to mock it! Nevermind, I withdraw, I have no idea what you're
talking about.
regards
DM
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> David M said:
> A is attribute of B therefore it exists says pragmatist
> A does not exist for pragmatists according to DMB
> A is a subjective quality for a pragmatist according to DMB, not really
but
> either way it still exists for a pragmatist ...why does DMB get offeneded
> because he thinks somethig does not exist for a pragmatist when the
> pragmatist does think it exists?
>
> dmb says:
> To borrow a phrase from the boys of the flying circus, this is not an
> argument, its just a contradiction. Why not address what I already said
> about this very thing...
>
> dmb had said:
> Praggys might not actually say that truth and morality are only subjective
> qualities, but does it really express a different idea to say they are
only
> attributes based on intersubjective agreement? Hardly at all. SOM stances
> vary widely from materialism to idealism and everything in between. It
seems
> pretty clear to me that Rorty's stance is just one variation on this
theme.
> Maybe he doesn't call to call it ontology, but to assert that there is
> nothing to be said about truth, to assert there is nothing general or
useful
> or philosophically interesting, and then assert that truth is a propery, a
> quality, an attribute of some other thing... Well, one might as well deny
> its existence.
>
> David M said:
> Guess, we got different ideas about what it means to exist. Does anyone
want
> to talk about what does not exist,e.g. DMB's understanding of pragmatism.
> Sorry couldn't resist that one. Look DMB what qualities do you think truth
> and morality have for you that they do not have for a pragmatist?
>
> dmb says:
> Is there a rule or law that REQUIRES neo-pragmatists to insult their
> critics? Sure seems like it. If anything offends me,... Anyway, to get at
> your question, ....Huh? What qualities do truth and morality have? I don't
> understand what you're asking. My point is that Rorty and Pirsig have
> different theories as to what truth is. For Rorty it is a property of
> something else, of true statements. For Pirsig it is not a property of
> something else. It is Rorty's own description of this theory that leads me
> to the conclusion that his truth is an abstraction from particulars and
not
> a thing in itself, such as Pirsig's intellectual static patterns, which,
by
> contrast, are treated as real.
>
> > Richard Rorty:
> > "For pragmatists, "truth" is just the name of a property which all true
> > statements share. ...Pragmatists doubt that there is much to be said for
> > this common feature. They doubt this for the same reason they doubt that
> > there is much to be said about the common feature shared by praiseworthy
> > actions... They see certain acts as good ones to perform, under the
> > circumstances, but doubt that there is anything general and useful to
say
> > about what makes them all good."
>
> Thanks,
> dmb
>
>
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