Re: MD Two theories of truth

From: David MOREY (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Sat Nov 08 2003 - 21:36:35 GMT

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    Rorty replies in Philosophy and the Mirror of Nature:

    "From Sartre's point of view, the urge to find such necessities
    is the urge to be rid of one's freedom to erect yet another alternative
    theory or vocabulary. Thus the edifying philosopher who points out the
    incoherence of the urge is treated as a "relativist", one who lacks
    moral seriousness, because he does not join in the common human
    hope that the burden of choice will pass away. ...we need... ...to think
    about science in such a way that its being a value-based enterprise
    occassions
    no surprise... "

    so he sees you coming. He talks less of truth than of agreement using
    the best methods we currently possess, he talks of person rather
    then the implies dualism of a subject, he does not talk about
    inter-subjective truth either. Why don't you list some true statements
    and we will take a look at how objective they are?

    regards
    David M

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    From: "David Buchanan" <DBuchanan@ClassicalRadio.org>
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    > Matt, Andy and all fair minded readers:
    >
    > DMB asked Matt:
    > Can you tell me the difference between intersubjectively agreed upon
    > attributes and subjective qualities?
    >
    > Matt evaded the question with:
    > Various degrees of intersubjectivity is all that is left after you give up
    > on the poles of "objective" and "subjective," as Pirsig himself does. To
    > shunt "intersubjective agreement" under the old label of "subjective" is
    to
    > miss the point.
    >
    > dmb asked Andy the same thing:
    > I can't see how one can escape the
    > conclusion that Rorty is saying that truth is merely subjective. He uses
    > different terms, much fancier terms than that, but the idea is the same.
    Can
    > you tell me the difference between intersubjectively agreed upon
    attributes
    > and subjective qualities?"
    >
    > Andy refused to answer too:
    > Matt has done that.
    >
    > dmb says:
    > I honestly can't understand how either of you could possibly think you've
    > answered the question. All Matt has done, once again, is to avoid the
    actual
    > issue at hand and insult me instead. Why not answer the question. You deny
    > that intersubjective properties are anything like subjective qualities,
    but
    > you have provided exactly zero reasons for that denial. You simply assert
    > it, without quotes, reasons, explanations or anything like an argument.
    And
    > its not just that the word "intersubjective" contains the word
    "subjective".
    > It seems to be what Rorty is describing in his theory of truth.
    >
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