From: David MOREY (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Sun Nov 09 2003 - 14:46:18 GMT
Hi
Sound means hearing, hearing means a listening being.
You've got to separate what is all too human from what
occurs outside of conscious experience. & then 'outside of conscious
experience'
what meaning can that have?
regards
David M
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nathan Pila" < >
To: < >
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 1:16 AM
Subject: MD string theory
> Gert-Jan Peeters,
>
> Hmm, So, if there is no one in the forest, then the tree makes no sound as
> it falls, right?
>
> Did you happen to catch the latest NOVA on PBS? It was about the book
called
> The Elegant Universe. The book discusses 'string theory'. String theory
> postulates that all matter and all radiation (photons, heat etc) is
composed
> of vibrating strings of energy. That, these strings, are the ultimate
> reality; the strings vibrate in 11 dimensions. Since we can't imagine 11
> dimensions, is it fair to say that only 4 dimensions exist and the strings
> are unreal?
>
> Nathan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gert-Jan Peeters" < >
> To: < >
> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 8:43 AM
> Subject: Re: MD quality is ...?
>
>
> >
> >
> > > Johnny,
> > >
> > > OK. I think I see most of what you have written.
> > >
> > > Let me take you to one part where you say, "We expect apples to fall
to
> > the
> > > earth because we have seen apples falling to the earth, and this is
why
> > > apples fall to the earth."
> > >
> > > What about the concept of gravity? Where does that fit in with your
> > > thoughts? Do apples fall because we have seen them fall before and so
> > expect
> > > them to fall now, and then they do, or it is that objects attract
> > eachother
> > > with a gravitational force and this is the root cause of apples
> > accelerating
> > > to the earth.
> > > In other words, if humans and all other beings that have consciousness
> > were
> > > to disappear, would apples stop falling?
> > >
> > > Regards to you,
> > >
> > > Nathan
> > >
> > > ----- End of Original Message -----
> >
> > And to make it even more complicated, your question might boil down to
'is
> > there a world outside our experience of that world.' So, indeed, if al
> that
> > experiences stops, that world should be able to continue without it,
> because
> > it was also build without experiencing beings. If humans and all other
> > beings that have consciousness were to dissappear, it would be like
> erasing
> > the intellectual, social and biological levels. You would still have an
> > outside-of-experience world that would continue to exist.(thus the
> anorganic
> > level) A child asks the same question when it says: "Does my teddybear
> exist
> > when I'm at school and not thinking about him?" or: "Is the
> > refrigirator-light really off?" If experience would be the key-word here
> you
> > could never check nor prove what the state of the teddybear is. "Mom,
> could
> > you check if my teddybear is on the bed?" For all we know the teddybear
is
> > having a chill-out party with barbie. We could just never know. But - to
> > make life simpler we assume they don't party. We assume the world is out
> > there and we are experiencing it as players in a giant decor. (And
that's
> > where all the static patterns of value kick in.) But all those
> assumptions
> > are just to make it all simple, without it, all would be to complicated
to
> > have surviving chances. It would be like watching your television with
> just
> > the snowy dots - it wouldn't make anny sense. (And as soon the
television
> > would show you some patterns you'd get interested. You are experiencing
> > quality right that moment!) So, the world as we know it is a temporary
> state
> > of mind that works to cope with it all. And at some moment in historie
we
> > had science that kinda dictate how that world worked. Their explination
> > worked a lot better than how the medieval church explained the world.
But,
> > after many decades, also the science started showing some contradictions
> > (you can read about those in Antony's mcWatts online artwork). So, the
> > temporary state of mind has had its best times, we're of to something
> > better. Something that melts these contradictions, but would still be
very
> > usefull. A lot of people start searching and find it in the most strange
> > places. The ammount of wizardy and witches on the television And in
> personal
> > life has increased. Others have found the MoQ to be very usefull. So,
the
> > world didn't change, but our explination did. And the best explination
> wich
> > gives us the least doubts starts with the assumption that experience is
> > reality. And without that experience there would be no reality.
> >
> > Your question: "If humans and all other beings that have consciousness
> were
> > to disappear, would apples stop falling?" I don't know. But if you would
> say
> > that apples would still be falling, your saying more than that. And it
> takes
> > you down again to where you'll end up with all the contradictions. To
> avoid
> > those contradictions people use the Moq and the MoQ would give another
> > explanation: If consciousness has disappeared I can never be sure if
> apples
> > fall. It falls outside my experience, so it falls outside reality.
> > Experience is reality. No experience = no reality. No apples, no
gravity,
> > no ground to fall on...
> >
> > But then again - it's a temporary state of mind until someone finds a
> better
> > explination ..
> >
> > Gegroet,
> >
> > GJ
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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