From: johnny moral (johnnymoral@hotmail.com)
Date: Fri Nov 14 2003 - 17:46:42 GMT
HI Platt,
>Hi Johnny,
>
>You wrote:
> > I guess my point is that while direct experience is believed by the
> > person experiencing it, it isn't necesarilly accepted by other people as
> > the truth, and most things that we think of as true we didn't directly
> > experience ourselves, like the galileo scene. Of course, everything was
> > experienced by someone, and the rest of us just experience them telling
> > their story and believe them or not.
>
>If I understand you correctly we agree that, unlike the postmodernists,
>there is such a thing as "truth." But like "value," different people
>experience truth differently depending upon their individual life
>experiences and histories.
>
>"Truth, Beauty, Good" -- all patterns of Quality, all as "real as
>rocks" wouldn't you say?
>
>Platt
There's such a thing as belief, and there's such a thing as the concept of
truth which is essential to believing our beliefs. But where in my
paragraph do you see me saying anything was "true" in some sort of
non-postmodern sense? I said that "direct experience is believed by the
person experiencing it, but isn't necesarilly accepted by other people as
the truth." I also mentioned halucinations. So what I experienced and
believe is true isn't necesarrily the "truth", and respect for the concept
of truth should demand that consession, it should allow that what you
believe is true might not be the truth. Truth is more valuable as a concept
when it isn't applied absolutely to every experience you have in a dogmatic
way, but is considered more as a concept that you want your beliefs to
aspire to.
btw, the "real as rocks" concept I think of as showing that rocks are also
patterns of morality, beliefs of what is true and good and moral, not so
much that truth and beauty are rocks. It works both ways, you know what i
mean?
johnny
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