Re: MD Two theories of truth

From: David MOREY (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Sun Nov 16 2003 - 17:01:00 GMT

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    Platt

    sure truth is always in danger of
    covering things up for us (but they also sure
    open up possibilities for us too), but now and again
    we go back and re-think our concepts, as Pirsig suggests
    we do with SOM concepts. The market place of ideas is where
    we trade in truth, can't get rid of the intersubjective market, but
    there are good questions to ask with regard to why we sometimes
    lose faith in certain conceptual stocks.

    regards
    David M

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Platt Holden" <pholden@sc.rr.com>
    To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 3:46 PM
    Subject: RE: MD Two theories of truth

    > Matt, DMB
    >
    > > dmb says:
    > > I don't share Platt's view of intersubjectivity as "groupthink" or
    > > whatever. I think Matt was quite right to point out that forced
    > > conformity brought about by the coercive tactics of political tyrannts
    > > is another thing entirely.
    >
    > A nice example of DMB and Matt engaging in the philosophical game of
    > "redescription" to suit their own agendas instead of sticking to common
    > meanings of words. From Google glossary:
    >
    > "The capacity for group pressure to damage the mental efficiency,
    > reality testing, and moral judgment of decision-making groups
    >
    > "The tendency to make decisions intended primarily to promote the
    > harmony of the group
    >
    > "A group process in which group members work so hard to achieve
    > unanimous agreement that they fail realistically to consider the
    > various alternative courses of action available to them
    >
    > "Valuing social harmony over doing a thorough job.
    >
    > "The process by which members of a cohesive group arrive at a decision
    > that many individual members privately believe is unwise
    >
    > "The forces that tend to suppress or resist divergent thinking when a
    > group is working to accomplish a specific task within a limited period
    > of time."
    >
    > "A phenomenon in which members of a group are led to suppress their own
    > dissent in the interests of group consensus."
    >
    > There you have it. Not a single reference to "coercive tactics by
    > political tyrants."
    >
    > "Groupthink" is a perfect synonym for "intersubjective agreement," not
    > only because it accurately descibes experience but hauls an abstract,
    > innocent-sounding phrase down to earth where it's negative underbelly
    > can be seen. "Intersubjective agreement" should give pause to anyone
    > who values their individuality and independence.
    >
    > Platt
    >
    >
    >
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