From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Sun Nov 16 2003 - 15:46:27 GMT
Matt, DMB
> dmb says:
> I don't share Platt's view of intersubjectivity as "groupthink" or
> whatever. I think Matt was quite right to point out that forced
> conformity brought about by the coercive tactics of political tyrannts
> is another thing entirely.
A nice example of DMB and Matt engaging in the philosophical game of
"redescription" to suit their own agendas instead of sticking to common
meanings of words. From Google glossary:
"The capacity for group pressure to damage the mental efficiency,
reality testing, and moral judgment of decision-making groups
"The tendency to make decisions intended primarily to promote the
harmony of the group
"A group process in which group members work so hard to achieve
unanimous agreement that they fail realistically to consider the
various alternative courses of action available to them
"Valuing social harmony over doing a thorough job.
"The process by which members of a cohesive group arrive at a decision
that many individual members privately believe is unwise
"The forces that tend to suppress or resist divergent thinking when a
group is working to accomplish a specific task within a limited period
of time."
"A phenomenon in which members of a group are led to suppress their own
dissent in the interests of group consensus."
There you have it. Not a single reference to "coercive tactics by
political tyrants."
"Groupthink" is a perfect synonym for "intersubjective agreement," not
only because it accurately descibes experience but hauls an abstract,
innocent-sounding phrase down to earth where it's negative underbelly
can be seen. "Intersubjective agreement" should give pause to anyone
who values their individuality and independence.
Platt
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