From: Richard Loggins (brloggins@yahoo.com)
Date: Mon Nov 17 2003 - 05:06:23 GMT
Hi Nathan,
--- Nathan Pila <pila@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Richard,
>
> You ask, 'Did the entire pattern of Chris go up the
> crematorium chimney, as the conservation laws of
> physics demand, or can we leave open the possibility
> that his higher level patterns continue to exist?'
>
> In my opinion, the pattern that represented Chris
> has been obliterated. It
> is no longer there. The conservation laws are not
> violated because they
> apply only to energy or matter not to patterns.
OK, they are not violated, but they presume that
energy and matter are all there is. There is no room
for other types of patterns in a worldview of reality
as dictated by physics. Therein lies its shortcomings.
>
> When I eat a fish, I use the proteins that the fish
> used, in another way.
> The flesh of the fish is broken down and reassembled
> into raw materials that
> my body uses to rebuild me.
>
> In the same way that the fish disappears when eaten,
> Chris disappeared when
> burnt to a crisp.
>
> What is wrong with my metaphor?
Nothing, for as far as it goes. The physical patterns
of Chris are destroyed. I think Pirsig describes this
destruction as a hole in the larger pattern of Chris,
and this larger pattern of Chris still exists and is
looking for another body to inhabit. This is
consistent with beliefs of so-called primitive peoples
for ages that have been summarily discarded by the SOM
but need to be re-examined and re-incorporated into
our notions of reality. The MOQ has a place for ghosts
in it's metaphysics while science can't explain them
and so it ignores them or just laughs at them.
Rich
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