Re: MD When is a metaphysics not a metaphysics?

From: David MOREY (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Wed Nov 19 2003 - 18:25:10 GMT

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    Hi

    Pirsig's metaphysical position is ontological phenomenalism
    the same as early Heidegger. Outside of which is nothing or Being
    under erasure.

    regards
    David M

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "MATTHEW PAUL KUNDERT" <mpkundert@students.wisc.edu>
    To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 12:52 AM
    Subject: Re: MD When is a metaphysics not a metaphysics?

    > Wim,
    >
    > Wim said:
    > In my view "metaphysics" therefore cannot be substituted by "vocabulary"
    and "MoQ" is a very specific way of organizing beliefs, by answering these
    "metaphysical" questions in a way which gives "experience" a central role.
    Are you sure that this couldn't be a useful redefinition of metaphysics (and
    one that is quite close to Pirsig's way of using the word, even though that
    is less relevant to me)?
    >
    > Matt:
    > Or rather, "metaphysics" is a specific kind of vocabulary, or that
    "metaphysicians" is a particular orientation to our vocabularies. Either
    way, those redefinitions aren't really redefinitions at all: they are the
    traditional view of metaphysics because they answer the standard
    "metaphysical questions" about reality, which pragmatists think we should
    just ignore. In this case, I'm positive it isn't useful: its Platonic. And
    if it is close to the way Pirsig uses it, then so much the worse for the
    pragmatist Pirsig.
    >
    > Wim said:
    > Where did you find Pirsig's assertion that a MoQ is a contradiction in
    terms?
    >
    > Matt:
    > Its in the beginning somewhere, I think right after he talks about
    anthropology and the kind of book he wants to write and right before he
    talks about the positivist reaction and the mystic reaction.
    >
    > Matt
    >
    >
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