From: David MOREY (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Sat Nov 22 2003 - 23:51:29 GMT
Matt
Yeah I think Rorty's political interventions are very worthwhile and a real
humane voice.
But there are many fronts. Academics really ought to be more concerned about
the nature of
our education systems. Also I think that challenges to SOM like Pirsig's can
be important.
You only have to look at how SOM makes certain things possible and others
off limits.
I would also like to think that conceptual changes can be addressed in a
larger audience than those that
philosophy addresses. If we hope for progress in the political arena I think
we are in really big
trouble. But in the UK we are big on shallow and pointless politicians.
regards
David M
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> David said:
> But the problem with the non-philosophically sophisticated voting public
is not their pragmatist common sense, which is good, but their shallow
materialist or religious dogmatism.
>
> Matt:
> Never said there weren't problems. But, there are two modes that
pragmatism has functioned under: philosophic and prophetic. The philosophic
mode is the mode in which James, Dewey, and Rorty write in journals of
philosophy to a philosophic audience. But then there are their other
writings, writings meant for a much wider public. In his prophetic mode, I
think Rorty has done and will continue to do much good.
>
> But on the other hand, when you say pragmatism won't help much, it
certainly isn't clear to me that any other philosophy would be able to help
more. I don't think its philosophy that will lead any charges against the
evils of this world. I think the real work will be done in politics and the
real enablement for spiritual growth will come from literature. As Stanely
Fish said, if academics want to influence politics and the world, they have
to leave academia.
>
> Matt
>
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