From: Valuemetaphysics@aol.com
Date: Mon Dec 01 2003 - 14:35:13 GMT
dmb:
I don't have a problem with "symbolic manipulation" as a definition of
intellect per se. The problem is that way too may interpreters have come to
the same conclusion that mark has, that language in and of itself is
symbolic and therefore intellectual. Someone even suggested that the Lascaux
cave paintings are symbolic and therefore intellectual. But surely these
kinds of interpretations don't work. It destroys one of the most critical
distinctions in the MOQ and turns the 4th moral code into such a blur that
it becomes quite useless.
Thanks,
dmb
Hello dmb,
At an early stage, your child cannot use language in an intellectual way, but
later in life, and when your child is more like yourself, language will be
used in increasingly intellectual ways. Without an introduction to, then merging
with, and then a coherent, creative use of YOUR static repertoire, your child
will be at a disadvantage?
In the Homeric period, the father of the intellect was DQ don't you feel?
If your child begins writing stories, will that be the point at which
language is being used by your child in a more intellectual way? Perhaps your child
collects a number of stories written by a group of friends and makes of them
one coherent story - is that the point at which your child begins using language
in a more intellectual way?
The vocabulary i choose to use is outlined in, 'The edge of chaos' - there
you will find a model of SQ-SQ tension, and DQ-SQ evolution displaying a
coherent repertoire of static cultural values with which a blank (-ish) slate of the
child (culture) is first introduced to, then merges with, and becomes in
itself a coherent part of the whole repertoire. (The child either does that, or
does not value the coherence of its culture's repertiore and becomes a
retard/genius/mystic/you name it - or is brought up outside the cultural repertiore -
maybe becoming a retard/genius/mystic/you name it.)
To use my vocabulary, the cultural repertoire of the Homeric period had an
increasingly sophisticated coherence emerging within it as the result of value
evolution (SQ-SQ tension/DQ-SQ evolution). All i intend to indicate, when i say
writing and language is an intellectual process in the Homeric period, is
that very emerging coherent sophistication.
I entirely agree with your view that cave paintings and such are over doing
things regarding the intellect. And i agree also that the Homeric period is
dominated by social patterns. I am with your there dmb.
But, i feel we must do two things here:
1. Indicate a discrete margin between social and intellectual values.
2. Understand that the driving force behind intellectual values is an
aesthetic sense of Quality relationships between abstract symbols (language, music,
maths, geometry, pattern recognition of a sophisticated nature. etc.)
The aesthetic sense of Quality relationships between abstract symbols can be
found in poetic measure and linguistic devices of a pleasing and aesthetic
nature, and also in music and rhythm of the Homeric tradition? Especially if one
was totally merged with the static repertoire of values of that time?
All the best,
Mark
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