From: MATTHEW PAUL KUNDERT (mpkundert@students.wisc.edu)
Date: Wed Dec 03 2003 - 18:10:31 GMT
Platt said:
And thank goodness you don't have to wait around for any "intersubjective agreement" to make the change. As Pirsig said, "A tribe can changes its values only person by person and someone has to be first." In other words, individuals change things for the better, not street mobs.
Matt:
I would just like to say that, despite Platt's virulent hatred of pragmatism and the intersubjective continuum, he's endorsed the idea. I always knew Platt did, because of his emphasis on individuals and an aesthetic sense, but something got in the way of Platt recognizing it. Pirsig says, "A tribe can change its values only person by person and someone has to be first." The contrast between 'tribe' and 'individual' is the contrast between one person agreeing to a belief (the "subjective" pole of the continuum) and a lot of people agreeing to a belief (the "objective" pole of the continuum). This is Pirsig endorsing the continuum. This is all I have ever been saying. If Platt is not convinced by this, I have no more arguments and explications to pull out. As I've always said, its not 'groupthink'. Its simply the contrast between an idiosyncratic belief and common sense, one person with a great idea about to try and change the world, and a whole lotta' people believin
g in democray and freedom.
Matt
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