From: Joe (jhmau@sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon Dec 08 2003 - 19:10:45 GMT
On 7 Dec 2003 7:04 AM Mark writes"
Hi Mark, Jim, David M and forum,
Thank you for your appreciation of some Christian enquiries. Towards the end of his life St Thomas Aquinas asserted that what he had written was as straw. I disagree that Christian static patterning prostitutes art more than other art products. Any art as a static pattern is as much a prostitution as my 230 pound body.
IMO 'radical renounces' are suicides. I admit I am having trouble with the morality of suicide bombers. In MoQ they are probably more moral than killing someone from 30,000 feet. I realize 'more moral' is a stupid judgement!
IMO Faith is compared to Reason in the assertion of 'existence'. The ordinary trust in words necessary for social communication is common to Buddhists and Christians. The writings of Buddha are accepted as Scripture as much as the Bible or the Upanishads.
When you compare Buddhists to Christians, I accept that 'existence' is the same between Faith and Reason. 'Existence' in itself is as incomplete as DQ. I would not like to say Sq is a prostitution. Nor would I like to say 'existence' is nothing.
Joe
Dear Joe, Jim, David M and forum,
The question has been raised, 'Is there an impassable gulf between Buddhism and Christianity'?
Buddhists are radical renounces - they adhere to reason rather than faith.
Christians adhere to faith.
It seems to me that Christian enquiry is self limiting - at the end of the day, Individuals are the herd of God.
Buddhist enquiry is free to search for release from static conditioning, and find exceptional coherence between patterns and DQ; at this exceptional point, there is no self as such.
We may wish to regard Christianity thought being more static than Buddhist thought, and it is that very static nature of Christian thinking which will not allow it to accept the MoQ.
Then why does a Christian enquire? And when a Christian enquires, does he/she flavour 'rationality' to his/her own preconditioned world view?
I would answer that a Christian must enquire, because it is the nature of a coherent Intelligence to evolve towards ever greater coherence and beauty. The MoQ indicates this to be so.
To the second point, i would answer that reason is an intellectual aesthetic sense, and as such is a creative artistic process. As we may agree, art can be placed subservient to almost any static patterning; but in doing so, the Christian prostitutes art. The Christian will therefore prostitute the MoQ into the service of static containment - at complete variance with DQ.
The liturgical music of Pallestrina is some of the most powerful and beautiful music i have ever heard, and i feel it was written in response to DQ, as expressed through the mediating static patterning of the Christian faith. So, Christianity is not so limiting after all in the field of art? Liturgical music is a testament to the Dynamic nature of being alive and responsive to beauty. And if reason is given its free expression, it too will burst out of the confining nature of static Christian thought. You cannot stop it, because Christian thought was created by Quality in the first place, and it can be swept aside in the fullness of time.
All the best,
Mark
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