From: David MOREY (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Thu Dec 18 2003 - 22:21:18 GMT
Hi
Clearly a very complex problem/situation.
It has a material side with respect to the
technological availibilty and lack of control
over dangerous materials, although the fears in
this respect have yet to become real (thankfully).
It has a value/ethical side too. I cannot but help
feel that the commercial/auhtoritarian specialisation and vast
inequalities of the current productive success of secular capitalism
has almost removed what was once a strong sense of human
beings as ends rather than means. The individual and life seem
to be given very low value by the the men of violence. War is
an enormous failure of imagination it seems to me. We seem to
have no other great non-violent causes. There are still people
driving themselves to the single goal of greater wealth when
they already use most of their wealth in completely pathetic ways.
regards
David M
----- Original Message -----
From: "Johannes Volmert" <jvolmert@student.uni-kassel.de>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 8:09 PM
Subject: MD Terrorism - a non-physical problem
> Hi Folks,
>
> I'd like to refer to a problem and phenomen, that has been already
> discussed partly hereabouts.
> Terrorism is obviously a severe problem all around the world; and it's
> going to be a much more severe one in future times. Basically no
> differences upon that statement in general, I guess. But what it's
> origins are and how to stop or even diminish it, there is not so much
> consensus, I believe.
>
> The MoQ can teach us something here, maybe. Origins of terrorism are
> firstly IMO a combination of dogmatic/fundamental religious attitudes
> and feeling of inferiority coming along with hurted pride. The way
> especially the islamistic terrorism develops tells me, it is being a
> non-physical phenomen, meaning a social and/or intellectual pattern of
> value (bad value of course!). It has already transcended the physical
> representation in form of Bin Ladin and has become a
> "Osama-everywhere"-phenomen, which has grown out of local anti-american
> movement into a world-wide anti-western-upheaval. That means - as we
> can see in Iraq recently - that although you catch the originator of a
> movement, nothing really changes (We will see, what is going to happen
> in the next weeks; hope, resistance diminishes).
> But for Bin Ladin it seems to be clear, that it wouldn't change a lot,
> if he is dead or alive. He'd set on fire what was already there. What he
> did was simply: he taught them how to organize, how to fight, how to
> behave conspirative and what was the most important: He taught them that
> it matters us and that it satisfies many arabic people to see westerners
> die.
> Yes, it is not only hate, it is the celebrity-thing as described by
> Pirsig. A Dschihadi is a famous person after his sacrifice. Some
> individuals even shoot popstars to get famous. In all cultures all
> around the world, it had been at times a honourful thing for a warrior
> to do, to sacrifice his life for his community and also for big ideas
> and is so in some regions nowadays.
> To root out terrorism, it is not enough to eliminate certain persons. To
> root out means at first, to destroy the patterns, that lead to such
> actions. To kill certain individuals does not diminish the problem of
> terrorism; in contrast: its fueling it.That is no exceptional new
> evidence but I find it interesting, that a MoQ-analysis shows - apart
> from other reasons - an additional aspect (celebrity) to clear up things.
> No MoQ-based solution comes to mind, but I may state, that western
> leaders and foremost the US-administration have to look for other ways
> to come to grips with terrorism. Easily spoken out, but not so easily
> done is the well know argument to improve the living conditions of
> countries in question, which is both at the same time: right and wrong .
> Right because most of the islamistic assassins come from underprivileged
> countries, and wrong because those persons where mostly not poor, nor
> belonged themselves to underprivileged social classes.
>
> What I am eager to know would be mainly a MoQ-based sketch of
> solution/ideas.
>
> Greetings, JoVo
>
>
>
>
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