Re: MD The MOQ: An expansion of rationality

From: David MOREY (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Sat Jan 10 2004 - 17:50:27 GMT

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    Hi

    I am inclined to associate subjectivity with the
    achievement in nature of that pattern we call the ego.
    The creation of the ego described by Neumann in his
    Origins and History Of Consciousness describes myths
    that seem to report on the creation of the ego and the
    emergence into the dawn of intellect. I think Bo concedes
    that once the realm of intellect emerges there have been
    a number of challenges to the exclusivity of dualistic thinking.
    I don't know what people think of Capra's version of this in
    his Turning Point book? What examples of non dualistic thinking
    do you have in mind? Of course there have always been poets
    etc trying to put things back together again.

    regards
    David M

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Steve Peterson" <peterson.steve@verizon.net>
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    Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 1:43 PM
    Subject: Re: MD The MOQ: An expansion of rationality

    > DM:
    >
    > > You say:When Pirsig uses subject-object metaphysics he also is referring
    to
    > > a
    > > distinction between subjective experience and objective experience. I
    don't
    > > think intellect depends on making such metaphysical assumptions.
    > >
    > > DM: clearly a large aspect of intellectual activity relies
    > > on the primary/secondary experience distinction that is related to SOM.
    > > It is also a distinction that the humanities mistakenly follow as Pirsig
    > > points out RE: anthropology.
    >
    > Steve:
    > Yeah, but that's not the point. Bo is claiming that intellect is
    > *equivalent* to the S/O divide--that ALL reasoning relies on such a
    > distinction, not merely "a large aspect of intellectual activity," all of
    > it.
    >
    >
    >
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