From: Steve Peterson (peterson.steve@verizon.net)
Date: Sat Jan 10 2004 - 19:41:48 GMT
Hi DM,
> I am inclined to associate subjectivity with the
> achievement in nature of that pattern we call the ego.
No comprendo.
> The creation of the ego described by Neumann in his
> Origins and History Of Consciousness describes myths
> that seem to report on the creation of the ego and the
> emergence into the dawn of intellect.
Tampoco. Es Ingles?
>I think Bo concedes
> that once the realm of intellect emerges there have been
> a number of challenges to the exclusivity of dualistic thinking.
Whether he does or not is beside the point. I've never made a case for
non-dualistic thinking which I view as an oxymoron. To think is to create
"this" and "that." Prior to thinking is the undifferentiated aesthetic
continuum.
> I don't know what people think of Capra's version of this in
> his Turning Point book?
I request less bibliography and more philosophy. Remember that the only
prereqs for this discussion are ZAMM and Lila. If Capra or Neumann, a
British mathematician, or Geoffrey Read or anyone else has anything
pertinent to say, I kindly ask that you would stop giving us homework ;-)
and explain as best you can while quoting as needed to best make your point.
>What examples of non dualistic thinking
> do you have in mind? Of course there have always been poets
> etc trying to put things back together again.
Again, I don't have anything to say about non-dualistic thinking.
Bo claims that intellect is the S/O level. I agree that intellect relies on
making distinctions. But in Bo's MOQ, all of intellect relies on making
distinctions between subjective experience and objective experience. "All
of it. Every last bit of it. Madness there."
We can think without making distinctions between what is true for you, what
is true for me, and what is true independent of perspective. That isn't
"simply thinking" as Pirsig defines intellect, that is thinking about
thinking of the SOM brand. Since all thinking isn't philosophical thinking,
then intellect cannot be limited to subjective/objective knowledge
distinctions.
Regards,
Steve
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