From: Steve Peterson (peterson.steve@verizon.net)
Date: Tue Jan 13 2004 - 15:09:44 GMT
Hi Bo,
> PIRSIG:
>>> "[The MOQ] employs SOM reasoning the way SOM reasoning employs social
>>> structures such as courts and journals and learned societies to
>>> make itself known.
>
> " ....the way SOM reasoning employs social strutures"!!!!! See,
> he treats SOM as representative of the value that followed social
> value and emplys its value (in the known way). Nothing about any
> "intellect" that the SOM is a pattern of. If intellectual value were
> something else than SOM he would have spoken of this as
> "employing social structures", but no, he goes straight to SOM.
> This is most telling, where does my reasoning go wrong?
> PIRSIG:
>>> SOM reasoning is not subordinate to these social
>>> structures,
>
> That SOM isn't subordinate to society goes without
> saying, but here it is again: He treats SOM as representing the
> intellectual level
...
>...See, he uses SOM and intellect as if
> they are identical.
Steve:
You start with the assumption that when Pirsig says intellect, he really
means SOM and vice versa, from which you conclude that intellect=SOM which
is what you assumed from the start.
However, if you start with the assumption that some but not all intellectual
patterns contain subjective/objective knowledge distinctions you will find
that his words are consistent with the MOQ being an intellectual pattern of
value.
Pirsig in his recent letter to Paul: "The idea that the MOQ is not an
intellectual formulation but some kind of other level is not clear to me.
There is nothing in the MOQ that I know of that leads to this conclusion."
SOLAQI denied.
Regards,
Steve
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