Re: MD Pirsig - shock therapy in real life?

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I have no inside info, and I didn't want to wander into the speculative.  I assumed it would have been well known had it been true.

My curiosity was directed at the difference between having unique ideas  and the ability to express such ideas ... and I was curious if Pirsig had an unusual advantage of being able to have an "on edge" mind to create, and then a modified mind that allowed him to express his thought better.

thanks

Kurt

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian Glendinning"
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:22:26 -0000
To:
Subject: Re: MD Pirsig - shock therapy in real life?

Kurt, are you asking if Pirsig's EST episode was just fiction ?

I think there is evidence of a mental breakdown, institutionalisation,
and a 2 year period "in and out of mental institutions", at a time when
EST would not have been an unusual treatment to attempt, particularly on
someone who had already been noticed for "deviant" anti-establishement
behaviour. There are one or two date discrepancies in Pirsig's own
recollections, but the whole biographical story hangs together. Never
actually seen any independent documentary evidence of the EST episode
though. Hmmm.

There are enough people around, besides Pirsig himself, who knew him,
and who know people who knew him, that I find it hard to believe in a big secret / cover up.

Do you have any evidence to support your suggestion Kurt ?

Ian Glendinning
----- Original Message -----
From: Kurt Friedrich
To: moq_discuss@moq.org
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 4:13 PM
Subject: MD Pirsig - shock therapy in real life?


In real life, did Pirsig develop his ideas in 2 stages, with electro
shock therapy in between, as in ZMM? Or did he create that in ZMM just
to have one more opportunity to explore the battle between rational and
subjective?

thanks,

Kurt




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