From: MATTHEW PAUL KUNDERT (mpkundert@students.wisc.edu)
Date: Tue Jan 27 2004 - 19:52:42 GMT
Paul, David,
Paul said:
Yes, "little more than" is a conclusion arrived at when the only alternative to objective is subjective. When value enters the picture as a third category, there is a further reason to accept realism - it's the *best* intellectual pattern for investigating nature. From this starting point we can say that intersubjective agreement is created by Quality and objectivity is then created by intersubjective agreement. I think this is an important MOQ contribution to pragmatism. Matt, I'm sure, doesn't think it necessary and puts it down to common sense.
Matt:
I'm not sure what the "common sense" bit means in your ascription of my views, but I think that saying that there are three categories, objective, subjective, and value, misses the point of what Pirsig was doing. Pirsig posited value behind objective and subjective. I take this to mean that he's dissolving the contrast between them. This, I think, is his move towards intersubjective agreement. Value, as the dissolving category (if you will), is a continuum of intersubjective agreement. Put this way, you are moreorless right, "intersubjective agreement is created by Quality and objectivity is then created by intersubjective agreement." Pragmatists just don't take the "objectivity" to mean anything more than "lots of intersubjective agreement." As long as we have Quality in place, there isn't really a good line to be drawn between merely intersubjective and objective.
Matt
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