From: Matt poot (mattpoot@hotmail.com)
Date: Mon Feb 02 2004 - 22:30:59 GMT
This forum is the first real intellectual stimulation (apart from a few
discussions with my friends). Even though I am young, I have so far chosen
a career(culinary) which leaves little, or no room for philosophy outside of
its boundaries. I love(?) it, but....This work, work, work attitude that is
especially prevalent in North America (and Japan so i hear), troubles me.
It not only impedes me from thinking, and enjoying life, but prevents those
who are unaware of philosophy to discover it at any point. no one takes the
time to think.
".....over the horizon, men and women sprinted and fell exhausted, rose and
sprinted again. An even pace was impossible."
"I don't think we work too hard. Did it ever occur to you that the trouble
is not the long hours, but the nature of the work, because of the complexity
of the life we are confronted with all day long, suggesting continually a
feeling of chaos?"
-ATW.
what do you think??
PooT
>From: "David MOREY" <us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk>
>Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
>Subject: Re: MD Re: Do we all need philosophy?
>Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 19:57:02 -0000
>
>Hi Poot
>
>School was a wash out for me, but at 40 I have
>gone on to discover some real intellectual challenges, so keep going...
>
>regards
>David M
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Matt poot" <mattpoot@hotmail.com>
>To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
>Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 6:21 AM
>Subject: MD Re: Do we all need philosophy?
>
>
> > to continue my subject of post, in a completely different part. I
>missed
> > this previous post, which is why im replying now (I apologize).
> >
> > --Hi
> >
> > Hard to get philosophically sophisticated without reading philosophy.
> > And what is read in schools is a public not private matter.
> > Do you advocate philosophy in schools or not?
> > I take 'as many types of books' as implying yes.
> > I would prefer that we were more ambitious in schools
> > and did more hard books and also science and the philosophy of science.
> >
> > DM
> >
> > -=*PO0T*=- DId you recently come from the schooling 'system' Dave?
>Having
> > recently graduated from highschool a year ago, after 14 years in public
> > education system(i did go to catholic school up until gr.2), I could not
> > agree with you more wholly.
> > I will explain with my own experiences:
> >
> >
> > (from ontario). I have found that I was not challenged nearly enough.
>In
> > the first 6 grades, what do they teach here? long division and
> > multiplication tables? basic geography? some SUPER basic french? Not to
> > rush childhood, but this is a point in life where the human brain can
>absorb
> > incredible amounts of knowledge, and really mentally develop themselves,
> > building a foundation. My belief is that these years of just cruising
> > through school with straight a+ grades. Grades dont even matter.....I
>just
> > knew so much more than they were teaching me. And what do they do with
>the
> > fountain of attention kids can give when their interested ? Well, they
> > decided to ....well, I dont know what they decided to do, but it sure as
> > hell didn't benefit me.
> >
> > Then, after thoroughly boring me to death with the same, mundane FACTS,
>year
> > after year , after year, what is left? I skipped a lot (i mean alot[as
>Im
> > sure many of you can understand]) of my final 2 years of highschool,
>because
> > , well what they teach, and the way they teach it is just one thing, and
>one
> > thing only (no duality here) ----stupid!
> >
> > When I look at the life of persons such as Pirsig, and even some of
>those
> > else I encounter personally, it leaves me feeling...well....it leaves me
> > feeling sort of inferior(the word[as usual] isnt exactly what I mean).
>Not
> > just the fact that he was in university when 14, but just the richness
>of
> > experience. And what scares me, is in comparison to him, I have lived a
> > life less rich of experience, and I have a lot more compared with those
>my
> > age around me.
> >
> >
> > Anyways, I should stop rambling
> >
> >
> > Poot, Sincerely
> >
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