Re: MD Do we all need philosophy?

From: David MOREY (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Tue Feb 10 2004 - 20:37:29 GMT

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    Platt said: The public uproar over the sex and violence depicted in the
    > Super Bowl halftime show reflects society's backlash against an attempt by
    > the biological level to gain dominance.

    DM: But the flesh flash was really for commercial reasons so
    it is on the social level. Where as the flesh flash in some productions
    of Salome is just artistic freedom, high culture, and perhaps intellectual
    level.
    If Timberlake and Jackson had been having sex to have babies that would be
    the biological level. Sex -in a broad sense- appears on all the levels but
    has biological, social and
    intellectual manifestations.

    regards
    David M

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Platt Holden" <pholden@sc.rr.com>
    To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 2:18 PM
    Subject: Re: MD Do we all need philosophy?

    > Dan,
    >
    > > Platt,
    > >
    > > Wouldn't what you stated be "your" opinion? "Your" Quality? What if
    one
    > >
    > > finds peacefulness with Britany Spears music? What you wrote is
    something I
    > > don't necessarily feel is correct because it appears you are "telling"
    us
    > > what is "right".
    > > What am I missing???
    >
    > Apparently you're missing what I've written twice before, pointing out the
    > difference between taste based on sentiment (feelings) and judgments
    > (conceptions) based on intellect. To repeat:
    >
    > "David Hume distinguished between personal sentiment and educated
    > judgment. "All sentiment is right," he wrote, because "no sentiment
    > represents what really is in the object." Sentiment is a matter of
    > perception. When it comes to sentiment we may not argue with the admirer.
    > But judgment is a different matter. Judgment refers
    > to the attempt to make true statements about the objects being considered.
    >
    > To put this in Pirsigian terms, your tastes (sensations) are Dynamic
    > Quality, judgements of truth (conceptions) are intellectual static
    > Quality. Both are values, the former being yours alone, the latter being
    > socially influenced.
    >
    > So no one can tell you that your tastes are right or wrong. But your
    > judgment of what's good and bad in Western music is debatable.
    >
    > For example, Pirsig might point out that Britney glorifies sex which is a
    > biological level value, a step down from the higher moral level of
    > society that was created, among other reasons, to keep biological sex
    > under control. The public uproar over the sex and violence depicted in the
    > Super Bowl halftime show reflects society's backlash against an attempt by
    > the biological level to gain dominance.
    >
    > Platt
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
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