From: David MOREY (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Sun Feb 15 2004 - 20:55:56 GMT
dmb adds:
And this series of quotes adds to this picture. I think it shows that,
contrary to the standard readings, there has always been a spiritual quest
within the Western philosophical traditon. And it seems to me that one of
the central themes in Pirsig's work is to uncover and recover this hidden
aspect.
Check it out and tell me if you see what I mean...
DM: I certainly agree.
Pirsig: "The difference was that Plato's Good was a fixed and eternal and
unmoving
> idea, whereas for the rhetoricians it was not an idea at all. The Good was
> not a form of reality. It was reality itself, ever changing, and
ultimately
> unknowable in any kind of fixed, rigid way. " (P342)
>
DM: This is a key passage. Here the Good and DQ are associated with each
other.
It brings together value, reality, change together and declares them Good.
It is the
opposite instinct of Plato. Plato wants truth, the good, to be unchanging
and eternal,
he opposed the flux, he suggests the appearance/reality distinction, where
the genuinely real is
in another eternal world of forms, and the course of dualism is set. Pirsig
suggest that DQ is
the highest value, associates it with freedom, and realises that we can have
SQ that evolves/
emerges and is open to change and development. I think the way that much
religious
thought opposes the limitations of the scientific rationalist view contains
an awareness
of DQ and the dependence of SQ (which is analysable) on DQ which is the
source
of all Being.
regards to all MOQers
David M
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