From: Matthew Poot (mattpoot@hotmail.com)
Date: Sun Feb 15 2004 - 22:48:37 GMT
I prefer to take the agnostic view, since it is IMPOSSIBLE to prove, or
disprove the existence of a god/s.
What is the point in debating somehting like that? Whether I am religious or
not, I will certainly not change
the way my actions to those around me, and my thoughts especially.
In ZMM, Pirsig called the university the "Church of Reason". This is founded
upon Plato's fixed, defined truths.
Poot
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From: David MOREY <us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: MD An atheistic system?
> dmb adds:
> And this series of quotes adds to this picture. I think it shows that,
> contrary to the standard readings, there has always been a spiritual quest
> within the Western philosophical traditon. And it seems to me that one of
> the central themes in Pirsig's work is to uncover and recover this hidden
> aspect.
> Check it out and tell me if you see what I mean...
>
> DM: I certainly agree.
>
> Pirsig: "The difference was that Plato's Good was a fixed and eternal and
> unmoving
> > idea, whereas for the rhetoricians it was not an idea at all. The Good
was
> > not a form of reality. It was reality itself, ever changing, and
> ultimately
> > unknowable in any kind of fixed, rigid way. " (P342)
> >
>
> DM: This is a key passage. Here the Good and DQ are associated with each
> other.
> It brings together value, reality, change together and declares them Good.
> It is the
> opposite instinct of Plato. Plato wants truth, the good, to be unchanging
> and eternal,
> he opposed the flux, he suggests the appearance/reality distinction, where
> the genuinely real is
> in another eternal world of forms, and the course of dualism is set.
Pirsig
> suggest that DQ is
> the highest value, associates it with freedom, and realises that we can
have
> SQ that evolves/
> emerges and is open to change and development. I think the way that much
> religious
> thought opposes the limitations of the scientific rationalist view
contains
> an awareness
> of DQ and the dependence of SQ (which is analysable) on DQ which is the
> source
> of all Being.
>
> regards to all MOQers
> David M
>
>
>
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