From: Joe (jhmau@sbcglobal.net)
Date: Fri Feb 20 2004 - 17:09:33 GMT
On 13 Feb 1:08 PM David M writes to Paul:
----- Original Message ----- > Experience=existence=what is real
> Therefore there is no appearance/reality distinction
On 17 Feb 2004 4:33 AM Khalil writes:
"In my opinion, although I fall way short of being anything of a scholar on
these matters, Sufism, the mystical element of Islam has much in common with
MOQ."
On 17 Feb 2004 5:44 AM Khoo writes:
"Sufism on the other hand represents the experiential side of Islam, the
non-rational, non-logical path that correlates with the Zen approach."
On 17 Feb 2004 6:11 AM SWZwick writes:
"Regarding Sufism, Islam, and the MOQ, I'd say that Sufism (or Alevism,
which is the brand of Islam practiced in Turkey) is definitely a mystic
tradition and the Alevis I know do in fact place intellectual values above
societal values, and mystic values above intellectual values."
Hi David, Khallil, Khoo, SWZwick, and all,
joe: i accept that Buddha, Moses, Jesus, Mohammed, etc., carry messages to
me. I accept that sectarian writing and the interpretation of these
messages have led to many wars and my confusion.
What does mystic mean? I look at the English word 'mystic'. Funk and
Wagnall's dictionary says 'mystic' comes from the Greek word 'mystes' which
means 'an initiate'. In America I look to Sport, and and the Arts for the
meaning of 'initiate'. I see people who train themselves to a higher
skilled performance than I am able to achieve. I imagine I am pretty good.
Skill and practice lead to a 'mystical' performance, 'the sweet spot', and I
can learn.
David M writes: "Experience=existence=what is real."
joe: Existence is a moral order. IMO in some way the above messengers help
me to see my confused existence. From them I see a moral order of
existence. Why am I confused? Am I a bad design? A mystic says I don't
practice enough. My education and my ordinary existence urge me to obtain
more. The messengers help me understand 'more', as does the MOQ.
IMO experience=existence=purpose=quality=what is real. Sectarians try to
help me understand what the messengers say. I do not want to be a
sectarian!
Joe
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