From: Matthew Poot (mattpoot@hotmail.com)
Date: Mon Mar 01 2004 - 18:27:53 GMT
Hello Platt,
Platt : What's the problem with money determining value? What's the problem
with
inequality?
Poot: ?! What is the problem with money determining value? Please tell
me you're being sarcastic here.
If not, then I suggest you try reading these really interesting books,
written by this guy named Robert M. Pirsig.
You could learn a lot!
Platt: Unlike government, the market can't put a gun to your head to make
you
behave a certain way. Freedom means freedom from government coercion. It
doesn't mean freedom from natural biological forces.
Poot: Right now, the government is at the mercy of the market. If you
think that the market has no control over the way we live, than I suggest
you take a trip to the poorer parts of town, and see how many grocery stores
there are...then count how many McDonalds there are.
Freedom means freedom from _whatever_ is oppressing, not just from
government coercion. Why do you think riding a motorcycle feels "like being
completely free". To say that it doesn't mean freedom from natural
biological forces may have some truth, but I severly doubt that it is as
absolute as you are implying.
Money is anti-quality. At least the way we use it today.
Platt: Since government is responsible for education, where shall we place
the
blame for such ignorance?
Poot: Well, we all like playing the blame game, but what does it really
accomplish? WE all know (or at least I thought most of us here did) what
and where the sources of a great many of our secular problems arise from.
DM: Now sure, capitalism has had a role in creating more freedom, better
record than Soviet communism, but I want more freedom than now,
let's never rest in the struggle for DQ & freedom. Above all we
need to have proper democratic control over the major resources
and productive powers in our society, no more corporate moral
vacuum.
Poot: Yes. WE live in an ogligarchy, where apathy seems to be it's
unnoficial motto.
Many people look at persons such as Donald Trump , and almost idolize him
because he has become a """" success """"
Yet, therein lies the problem
Why is he important? What makes him a success? Money? If money is the
determining factor of becoming a true success, than "may God help us all"
Platt:What sort of arrangement would you suggest to assure "proper
democratic
control of the major resources and productive powers of society?" When you
use a word like "control," I shudder to think of what your enforcement
might include. We already see the danger to freedom in threats by the FCC
to censor Howard Stern and other avoidable "offensive" acts. The logical
next step is to censor all criticisms of the government as detrimental to
the public good. Scary stuff don't you think?.
Poot: Excuse me if I am taking words out of DM's mouth. You overlook the
most , the most important word Platt. WE. WE must have control. WE must
be able to regulate what happens in the world in which WE live in. Not some
jackass , who has not a care in the world about what the real consequences
of his/her actions, but only for whether or not they will increase they're
power, or whether it'll keep them in office long enough to make them the
most amount of money.
Now I will get specific.
What does George "dubya" Bush know? about anything? Everything in his
life, has been handed to him on a plastic platter (to help support the
petroleum industry of course!) He smoked crack, drove drunk, and beat his
wife, lost the election, AND IS STILL THE @#$!ing PRESIDENT!
LONG LIVE THE LAND OF THE FREE, AND THE HOME OF THE BRAVE!!!
Poot
P.S. What scares you?
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