From: David MOREY (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Wed Mar 03 2004 - 18:28:50 GMT
Hi Poot
Do you think my figure is low, think of all the
non-food,shelter, clothes stuff we do:
ads/marketing/modelling/show biz/
fashion/pointless travel/entertainment/
banking/finance/etc etc.
Some of these things are fun, so why not
take the money out of them. Amateur sport, music,
teaching, etc have a lot to be said for them.
regards
David M
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matthew Poot" <mattpoot@hotmail.com>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: MD Quality and In-e-quality
> Hello,
>
> DM: Somehow we are dividing
> things so that we have to work 50 hours to keep up with our addictive
> low quality life styles.
>
>
> Tell me about it.
>
> All work, and no play, make ______ a dull ___.
>
> I don't really think that when we work 50, 60, 70 hours a week, how much
> time is there for self-development? Nevertheless trying to improve things
> around you.
> When you work this much, your ambition is systematically destroyed,
> sometimes until a point of no recovery.
>
> Although 5 hours a week seems a bit low, even 5 hours a day would be cake!
> Especially if it was work you enjoyed!
>
> Something like Platos doing what you are best doing.
>
>
> Poot
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David MOREY <us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 1:48 PM
> Subject: Re: MD Quality and In-e-quality
>
>
> > Hi
> >
> > My hope is that we can improve our
> > shallow concept of individualism and get
> > back to something like the scope and ambition
> > of renaissance man. I would suggest we can replace
> > money and exchange by giving away the products of
> > our labour and giving up ownership. Just imagine how
> > much less we would then need and have to do much less tedious
> > work. Imagine no copyright, so that people only produced
> > art, music.etc for love and not money. Sure there is basic
> > work for basic needs, let's say 5 hours a week these days at most,
> > then work should be a matter of free choice. Somehow we are dividing
> > things so that we have to work 50 hours to keep up with our addictive
> > low quality life styles.
> >
> > regards
> > DM
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Matthew Poot" <mattpoot@hotmail.com>
> > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
> > Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 8:46 PM
> > Subject: Re: MD Quality and In-e-quality
> >
> >
> > > Hello Dm,
> > >
> > > You say we have to get rid of money. In a 'project' I worked on for
my
> > > philosophy course, I chose the topic "The Ideal State" and discussed
> > > political, philosophical, economical, and theological ideas
surrounding
> > > that.
> > >
> > > One such idea was to get rid of money. But , I ran into a few
problems.
> > >
> > > I think that, in the end, the trade/barter system will be the main
> > solution.
> > > Yet, even still there are problems with that. How can you prevent
> people
> > > from being swindled? How can you promote fair trade?
> > >
> > > The problem with money, mainly, is that it becomes the determining
> factor
> > > for almost everything in life today, as opposed to Quality being the
> > > determiner (word?)
> > >
> > > One of the interesting jobs that I 'do' right now, part-time, is
working
> > in
> > > a factory that produces large 'chocolate' eggs for easter, in an
> assembly
> > > line fashion (thank you Mr. Ford~!). This is _the_ most mind numbing
> > labour
> > > I have ever partaken in, and it helps me achieve a more well rounded
> view
> > of
> > > the current make up of our industrial society. Each egg gets a
> "surprise"
> > > in it. Most of the time, it is just 2 shitty erasers. With that
comes
> > the
> > > egg. How much is paid for something that costs about.....25 cents to
> > make
> > > (including equipment, etc)?? its about 10 dollars in the end. and
the
> > > profit ratio goes up as you make larger eggs....
> > >
> > > Mass , IMO, is one of the key promoters and sustainers of 'money' as
we
> > > know it. Mass Production, Mass Media, Mass-murder.....the list goes
on.
> > In
> > > my job working in the largest kitchen in Canada, (Royal York Hotel),
> > > everything is produced in quantity (excluding fine dining).
> > >
> > > I think , therefor, that we can all agree to : Quantity < Quality
> > >
> > >
> > > Well, there has to be a change in attitudes on everyones part. A
> > different
> > > SoM, you could say.
> > >
> > >
> > > Time is short
> > >
> > > Poot
> > >
> > >
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