Re: MD Quality takes a hit

From: Valence (valence10@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue Mar 09 2004 - 00:21:21 GMT

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    Hi Platt, Leland, and all:

    PLATT:
    > > I see where the heavy hand of government and a group of envious jurists
    > > have conspired to bring down an individual whose life was dedicated to
    > > quality, namely one Martha Stewart.Say what you will about the
    > domestic
    > diva, she brought the art of gracious living to the average shlub and
    > was
    > richly rewarded for her efforts.

    LELAND:
    > Besides, she's not being punished for violating society's vulgar static
    > patterns, she's being punished for violating society's basic static
    > patterns by using her position of influence to profit herself. Unless,
    > of course, you believe she's innocent.
    >
    > I was remarking the other day (when the verdict came in) that it is a
    > sign of the society in which we live that a jury could find Martha
    > Stewart guilty of fraud and profiteering, but not find O.J. Simpson
    > guilty of murder. Mind-boggling.

    RICK
        Hi Leland, Martha was not found guilty of "fraud and profiteering". She
    was convicted of obstructing justice; in particular, lying to federal
    investigators. The fraud charge against her was thrown out. This is
    another example of instances in which the cover-up does more damage than the
    crime. If she had taken the deal previously offered to her and admitted to
    insider trading, she would have paid a fine and served no time at all. But
    instead, she got cocky, lied to investigators and forged documents to try
    and prove her 'innocence'.
        As for the comparison to the OJ verdict, the OJ prosecutors put on a
    terrible case and made novice mistakes at pretty much every turn (I'd
    suggest reading Vincent Bugliosi's book on the trial in which he
    convincingly argues that any 1st year law student should have been able to
    convict OJ and that he was acquitted not because of a biased jury but
    because of severe prosecutorial incompetence); the Martha prosecutors (from
    what I know of the case), by contrast, put on a much tighter case (at least
    with respect to the obstruction charges).

        Platt, my friend, your characterization of the Stewart Jury as "envious
    jurists" who conspired " to bring down in individual whose life was
    dedicated to quality" strikes me as preposterous. Martha was a thief who
    illegally received and acted on insider information to enrich herself and
    then lied about it at every turn. She lied under oath, forged documents,
    and even got others to lie and forge on her behalf. The jury was dead-on.
    She stole $40,000 at the expense of legitimate investors as surely as if she
    robbed a bank with a gun and then she tried to lie and cheat her way out of
    it. Regardless of the alleged quality of her products or efforts on behalf
    of "average shlubs", her refusal to plea to the crime she actually committed
    and decision to lie and cover-up endangered the corporation she built and
    the hundreds, if not thousands, of hard-working "average shlubs" who depend
    on it for their livelihoods. I can just hear them saying, "Sure I can't
    feed my family anymore, but the quality of throw pillows at K-Mart is just
    so much better than it used to be. Thank God for Martha!!!"

    take care
    rick

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