From: Matthew Poot (mattpoot@hotmail.com)
Date: Fri Mar 12 2004 - 07:29:33 GMT
Jon(?) Well I guess you would have to include oxygen to that list of
things we cannot rid ourselves of. Oxygen is actually a metabolic
poison. It's a corrosive gas, like fluorine, which is used to etch
glass. Oxygen was first produced as *a waste product* by certain plant
cells
Poot: Yes I am aware of this. However there is a fundamental
difference between free radicals, and environmental estrogens. Quite
different. Platt remarked that this should not be here, because it
seemingly does not have to do with quality, but I propose that it does,
just not in the metaphysical way. So, if that be the case, then it
won't belong here. I will not get into specifics, and use more
metaphysical terms, to some other end.
You also speak of the apparent 'freaking out' of 'people' at discovering
the bacteria, which are in a symbiotic relationship with the human
body's wellness (directly affecting the quality of thought, via the
brain. Now, this presumption, that you know of what I speak
(environmental estrogens) :
Jon : Man lives in a sea of bacteria. They are everywhere--on the skin,
in the ears and mouth, lungs and stomach. *Don't* be scared by your
science report. Everything we own, touch, and breathe is drenched in
bacteria. We've adapted together and most of the time work for mutual
benefit. It has more in common with capitalism than socialism, but I
regress. Only a small percentage of bacteria produce human disease, the
rest are harmless or beneficial. So relax. We adapt. What's in the air
isn't killing us any more than oxygen is.
Poot:This is very true, however, completely different from what I speak
of. I think, and I am sure that we can agree on this, that the physical
health of the body, has a most direct, and important role in brain
healthiness, which directly supports higher intellectual (spiritual as
well???) activity. And, if you will wait to see, life expectancy of a
largely growing percentage of population, will decrease , due , not to
lack of medical or pharmaceutical (I dont even take pills for my cold,
because it weakens the immune system) technological advancement , but
other factors such as diet (relating to moderation and economy)
Jon: And humans are healthier, stronger, more developed, and live longer
than EVER before in history--this simply flies in the face of those who
say humanity is killing itself. And we *don't* need to rid our bodies of
all those things you mentioned--they actually contribute to a strong
immune system.
I wish radical environmentalists wouldn't be so hostile to opinions that
don't absolutely agree with their own.
Poot: I do not consider myself to be a 'radical environmentalist' , but
rather, someone who is a proponent of economy, and and proportion.
Economy, not pertaining to financial terms, but the true meaning of the
word. Here is what I found in the dictionary:
Economy:
1.. Careful, thrifty management of resources, such as money,
materials, or labor: learned to practice economy in making out the
household budget.
Now(back to the suv :), in what sense would you hold suv's to be
economic? As I said, unless they are fully utilized , then they are ,
in fact, anti-economic. What is the purpose of such a vehicle, after
subracting its lack of precision, economy, etc.? I do not intend to
say that suv's are quality devoid, but it is just not good practice to
use them in current fashion (excess). I mean, do you really need a
vehicle that uses 10 times the amount of fuel, and larger amounts of raw
materials, and labour to produce, for 1 person to use, simply because
they have the financial means to do so? It is simply not feasible, on a
planet of 6 + billion people, to continue to waste to the point of
extreme excess.
"He singled out aspects of Quality such as unity, vividness, authority,
economy, sensitivity, clarity, emphasis, flow, suspense, brilliance,
precision, proportion, depth, and so on..." ZMM Pg 186 (this quote
doesnt really affirm or prove anything, but is for consideration)
Jon: Soccer moms DO have Quality, the kind that makes America Dynamic,
and that point DOES belong here
Poot: I don't believe I said that soccermoms DON'T have quality. I say
that they promote inequality. Which, is "" bad "" in my books.
Also, if you think of what I have written as not relating to the MoQ,
then consider this: Our actions, are a direct reflection of our
mindsets.
Matt Poot
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