From: Matthew Poot (mattpoot@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue Mar 23 2004 - 22:21:14 GMT
Hello Steve,
By this message, do you suggest that ..our thoughts...our bound by the laws
of the physical realm? That our paths of thinking, our finite?
Matt
----- Original Message -----
From: steve <arborealman@comcast.net>
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Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: MD religious content & necessity of necessity
> to two cents; In my humble opinion, many of the attributes of matter point
> to it having been created. most obviosly, the principle of thermodanamic
> conservation. Simply put this states that you cannot get something for
> nothing. if for example you want to move a book you must first overcome
the
> weight[mass] then any associated friction. Calories will be burned, you
will
> need to replace them. All will be precisely accounted for no more no less.
> This holds for dust particles to stars. It is one of the most tested and
> trusted laws of physics.-The universe stands as a huge violation of this
> principle. A single atom would be a huge violation. Since matter has no
> infinite properties it should not ever exist. Not a single particle.
> Infinite nothing for ever and ever Amen. As this is not so it strongly
> suggests a creater. The creater probably does not sit on a throne and
> resemble Santa Clause. To pull off this trick the creater is probably
> infinite.[exactly what he said he was when we were still on speaking
> tearms].I use the tearm he for simplicity.I do not think it's possible for
a
> finite mind to grasp the infinite. Hence the problems getting a good hold
on
> quality. Steve P. -----
> From: "Matt poot" <mattpoot@hotmail.com>
> To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 11:39 AM
> Subject: Re: MD religious content & necessity of necessity
>
>
> > Hello,
> >
> >
> > Platt:Just so we're on the same page, I'm using the Webster dictionary
> > definition of faith as "firm belief in something for which there is no
> > proof." My question boils down to: How can faith constitute proof?
> >
> >
> > Me(I): I think that the debate over the existence of a god(s) to be
> > pointless. There is not, and will never be any definite proof of gods
> > existence. Atheists can argue all they want that God does not exist,
yet
> > there is no way they can prove this, since god is not a physical being,
> and
> > not detectable in any physical realm.
> >
> > Also, for those who say that god exists, there is no definite proof of
> gods
> > existence. If we were to say "What would the world be like, once we
> > subtracted god??" Things would still operate , live, function, etc. in
> > much the same way they do now.
> >
> > Hypothetically speaking, if we were to prove one day, that God does/n't
> > exist, what would that change? Really.....it should not change a thing
> > about how we live our day to day lives. To do something good, just to
> > appease a god, isn't as good as doing something good, for the sake of
> doing
> > something good.
> >
> > ^
> > My 2 cents. ---^
> >
> >
> >
> > POOT
> >
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