From: steve (arborealman@comcast.net)
Date: Wed Mar 24 2004 - 17:12:15 GMT
Hello , I agree that the sum of all is probably zero. Theories where matter
springs out of nothinness or "quantum fluctuations" or string or brane
theory are interesting however the least tested and most difficult to
understand. I also do not consider fluctuations or multi dimensional branes
to be a state of absolute zero. [whered the fluctuations come from?]. The
argument could go on forever. It seems to me that at this point there
is only one way to find out for sure. I"ll wait. Steve P.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matthew Poot" <mattpoot@hotmail.com>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: MD religious content & necessity of necessity
> Hello Steve,
>
>
> By this message, do you suggest that ..our thoughts...our bound by the
laws
> of the physical realm? That our paths of thinking, our finite?
>
>
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: steve <arborealman@comcast.net>
> To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 4:46 PM
> Subject: Re: MD religious content & necessity of necessity
>
>
> > to two cents; In my humble opinion, many of the attributes of matter
point
> > to it having been created. most obviosly, the principle of thermodanamic
> > conservation. Simply put this states that you cannot get something for
> > nothing. if for example you want to move a book you must first overcome
> the
> > weight[mass] then any associated friction. Calories will be burned, you
> will
> > need to replace them. All will be precisely accounted for no more no
less.
> > This holds for dust particles to stars. It is one of the most tested and
> > trusted laws of physics.-The universe stands as a huge violation of this
> > principle. A single atom would be a huge violation. Since matter has no
> > infinite properties it should not ever exist. Not a single particle.
> > Infinite nothing for ever and ever Amen. As this is not so it strongly
> > suggests a creater. The creater probably does not sit on a throne and
> > resemble Santa Clause. To pull off this trick the creater is probably
> > infinite.[exactly what he said he was when we were still on speaking
> > tearms].I use the tearm he for simplicity.I do not think it's possible
for
> a
> > finite mind to grasp the infinite. Hence the problems getting a good
hold
> on
> > quality. Steve P. -----
> > From: "Matt poot" <mattpoot@hotmail.com>
> > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 11:39 AM
> > Subject: Re: MD religious content & necessity of necessity
> >
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > >
> > > Platt:Just so we're on the same page, I'm using the Webster dictionary
> > > definition of faith as "firm belief in something for which there is no
> > > proof." My question boils down to: How can faith constitute proof?
> > >
> > >
> > > Me(I): I think that the debate over the existence of a god(s) to be
> > > pointless. There is not, and will never be any definite proof of gods
> > > existence. Atheists can argue all they want that God does not exist,
> yet
> > > there is no way they can prove this, since god is not a physical
being,
> > and
> > > not detectable in any physical realm.
> > >
> > > Also, for those who say that god exists, there is no definite proof of
> > gods
> > > existence. If we were to say "What would the world be like, once we
> > > subtracted god??" Things would still operate , live, function, etc.
in
> > > much the same way they do now.
> > >
> > > Hypothetically speaking, if we were to prove one day, that God
does/n't
> > > exist, what would that change? Really.....it should not change a
thing
> > > about how we live our day to day lives. To do something good, just to
> > > appease a god, isn't as good as doing something good, for the sake of
> > doing
> > > something good.
> > >
> > > ^
> > > My 2 cents. ---^
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > POOT
> > >
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