Re: MD SQ-SQ coherence and the Biosphere.

From: David MOREY (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Wed Mar 24 2004 - 18:46:32 GMT

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    Hi All

    Anyone interested in how there has been a dynamic
    evolution at the inorganic level should try and get hold
    of a copy of Arthur M Young's Reflexive Universe.
    I consider the single inorganic level the biggest weakness
    in Pirsig, if DQ has not been an aspect of existence since t=0
    then how can we associate it with the mystical One?

    regards
    David M

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Platt Holden" <pholden@sc.rr.com>
    To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 1:44 PM
    Subject: Re: MD SQ-SQ coherence and the Biosphere.

    > Hi Jim,
    >
    > First, a warm welcome to the group.
    >
    > Platt Holden wrote:
    > > >What I'm driving at is that according to the MOQ, only living beings
    can
    > > >respond to DQ.
    >
    > Jim responded:
    > > So according to MoQ there was no response to DQ before biological cells
    > > existed? (assuming you count cells as "living beings"). I'm fairly sure
    > > that Pirsig actually says that the biological level evolved to allow a
    more
    > > dynamic response to DQ than the physical level. So what we have is each
    > > static level responding in their own way to DQ just as they have since
    the
    > > dawn of time (or rather more accurately since the dawn of that
    particular
    > > level), it's just that each static level is a better, more dynamic
    response
    > > to DQ than the one from which it has evolved. At least that's my
    reading.
    >
    > Pirsig says, "And beyond that is an even more compelling reason; societies
    > and thoughts and principles themselves are no more than static patterns.
    > These patterns cannot by themselves perceive or adjust to Dynamic Quality.
    > Only a living being can do that." (Lila-13).
    >
    > In Chapter 11 Pirsig describes how life began: "What the Dynamic force had
    to
    > invent in order to move up the molecular level and stay there was a carbon
    > molecule that would preserve its limited Dynamic freedom from inorganic
    > laws and at the same time resist deterioration back to simple compounds of
    > carbon again. A study of nature shows the Dynamic force was not able to do
    > this but got around the problem by inventing two molecules: a static
    > molecule able to resist abrasion, heat, chemical attack and the like; and
    > a Dynamic one, able to preserve the subatomic indeterminacy at a molecular
    > level and "try everything" in the ways of chemical combination."
    >
    > So, there was no "response to DQ" at the inorganic level to create life
    > but instead an invention by DQ of DNA, the life molecule which was then
    > able to respond. As far as I know, this leap from non-life to life was a
    > singular event, like the Big Bang and consciousness emerging from bundle
    > of nerve tissue.
    >
    > If life is still being created at the inorganic level, you would think
    > there would be a lot of biologists observing the phenomenon. a scenario if
    > it's occurring I'm unaware of. (Reminds me of Winston Churchill's response
    > when he was criticized for ending a sentence with a preposition: "That is
    > the sort of arrant nonsense up with which I will not put.")
    >
    > > So evolution continues to exist at all levels, but obviously humans
    > > dominate it, which might well suppress it, I guess.
    >
    > There's no evolution at the inorganic level that I know of other than what
    > humans have created in the way of new compounds and such.
    > Physics wouldn't be possible if the inorganic level didn't consist of
    > static patterns that repeated themselves predictably in perpetuity.
    >
    > I look forward to being corrected.
    >
    > Regards,
    > Platt
    >
    >
    >
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