From: Matthew Poot (mattpoot@hotmail.com)
Date: Wed Mar 31 2004 - 21:16:18 BST
Joe,
Perhaps farmers may be more 'moral', but I guess that would depend on the
farmer , and how they farm.
Matt
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe <jhmau@sbcglobal.net>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: MD Was > > When metaphysics are not a metaphysics
> On 29 March 2004 8:37 AM Matt poot writes to Wim:
>
> Matt:
> This is one reason why I laugh at the notion of Free Speech, because, in
the
> public limelight, it truly does not exist. If someone says something
deemed
> innapropriate, for whatever reason (I'm not talking about the extremes,
> I.E.the isms), because it is what they feel, they should not be lambasted
> for saying it. If what they say is really that bad or stupid, then you
> would just view them as stupid for saying what they did, and lower your
> opinion of them.
>
> Hi Wim and Matt:
>
> joe: hi, Matt, I'm Joe. Excuse me, for butting into your conversation
with
> Wim. You have said something about free speech that is interesting to me.
> I've always felt that free speech was unlimited.
>
> IMO your statement highlights the war between the levels. The MOQ is a
new
> formulation. The MOQ creates a vocabulary for itself. 'Class conflict'
may
> be broadened to help extablish that vocabulary. The war between quality
> levels is a jungle of morality that is difficult to appreciate, although
the
> levels are very clear.
>
> I accept as moral if someone yells 'Fire!', as a joke , in a crowded
theater
> that he can be prosecuted for the people who are injured in the stampede
to
> leave the theater. An immoral conflict between the organic and social
level
> has been inflamed by the word 'fire'. 'Lambasting' may be appropriate for
> lesser conflicts, if it seems the person speaking is insensitive to the
> moral order.
>
> IMO the moral order: intellectual patterns, being incomplete, s/o* [*s/o
> (subject/object) a symbol intuited by Bodvar Skutvik, to describe
> intellectual patterns. Intellectually, I am not a level unto myself, and
I
> feel incomplete. DQ and SQ are separate.] are above social patterns, a
sense
> of order. Socal patterns, a sense of order, are above the purpose of
> organic patterns. Organic patterns with purpose are above the gravity of
> inorganic patterns.
>
> It is immoral to place inorganic gravity patterns above organic patterns
of
> purpose. Farmers intervening to help plants flourish is moral. (The next
> earthquake I feel won't change my mind?) It is immoral to place organic
> patterns of purpose above social patterns of order. Laws against child
> molestation are moral. (When next I'm driving on a race track, I will be
> sure to pass on the left?) It is immoral to place social patterns of
order
> above intellectual patterns of incompleteness, s/o. Teachers (scientists)
> are moral. (Chaos rules?) The mystical sense of morality is evolving.
> Philosophers (politicians) are moral.
>
> Are farmers more moral than police, than teachers, than philosophers?
>
> Joe
>
>
>
>
>
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