RE: MD junk or politics on this list

From: David Buchanan (DBuchanan@ClassicalRadio.org)
Date: Sat Apr 17 2004 - 04:34:59 BST

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    Exactly. Thanks, Dave.

    I've been trying to make this point without success for ages. Everything -
    absolutely everything imaginable - is BOTH an individual AND a member of a
    larger system. Atoms. Galaxies. People. Words. Cats. It matters not.
    Everything exists BOTH collectively and individually. Apparently, its just a
    basic feature of reality. In that light, it is really quite absurd to assert
    that collectivity is something we should fear and reject. There's simply no
    place to hide.

    Authoritarianism. Totalitarianism. That's what certain confused
    conservatives are thinking about when they use the word "collective". Ha! As
    if the lady down at the food co-op were some kind of tyrannt! As if we were
    oppressed by the collective unconscious or the language we all share in
    common! As if there is no difference between Ghandi and Stalin!

    dmb

    -----Original Message-----
    From: storeyd [mailto:storeyd@bc.edu]
    Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 1:32 PM
    To: moq_discuss@moq.org; Steve Peterson
    Subject: RE: MD junk or politics on this list

    To defer to Wilber, I think the key is to recognize that internal-external
    and
    individual-collective do not translate categorically; in other words,
    individuals have internals AND externals, as so collectives...however, the
    internal-collective (i.e., the cultural or political or social) has no locus

    of sentient intelligence, it is an intersubjective network of meaning/value
    SHARED WITHIN many individual worldspaces...the point is that the
    "collective
    will" is really just an effect of an individual mind, a conceptual construct

    assented to by you or me. the exteriors of the collective are the buildings

    we're sitting in, the computers we're typing on, the words with which we're
    communicating, etc., but the interal component of that exists only in our
    shared continuum, the cultural worldspace we co-create and co-enact. just
    an
    offering,
    -Dave

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