From: Valuemetaphysics@aol.com
Date: Sat Apr 17 2004 - 16:31:53 BST
Sam:
Roughly speaking I see the
MoQ as the equivalent of an Aristotelian metaphysics, in that it is something
that can be integrated
with different religions or with none, in just the same way that Aristotle
was taken up and accepted
within both Christianity and Islam.
Mark 17-4-04: The Metaphysics of Quality is an Intellectual pattern of Value.
Christianity is not an intellectual pattern of value - Christianity is a
combination of Social and Intellectual patterns. In so far as Christianity is, in
part, composed of Intellectual patterns, the MoQ is superior.
Aristotelian Metaphysics is an intellectual pattern of Values. The
Integration of Intellectual patterns into a religion such as Christianity and Islam is
that way in which Christianity and Islam evolve; they must evolve by
accommodating new Intellectual patterns or die.
But it is the Intellectual patterns which are leading this evolutionary
process.
Your attempt to Integrate the MoQ is the latest in a long line of religious
attempts to stay alive; to stay alive by evolving into something new.
It seems to me that you are failing - slowly, and by degrees, religions are
changing to the point where they become so different from what they were as to
become irrelevant, atrophied and static.
Sam:
But I don't see any of the 'higher' religions as being *of
necessity* restrictive of the fourth level. But a case could be made.
Mark 17-4-04: The Metaphysics of Quality is an Intellectual pattern of Value.
That it is valued high enough for it to be regarded as meat for assimilation
into the body of Christianity is really a value of it as a threat to
Christianity itself. Christianity has become one of many front lines of battle between
social and Intellectual values, as each level tries to simultaneously respond
to DQ.
The MoQ is superior to religion as it explains more in terms of empirical
experience.
Sam:
Thus, to say that Christianity is separate from the MoQ is only to say that a
metaphysics only applies to one area of life (ie our understanding).
Mark 17-4-04: The Metaphysics of Quality is an Intellectual pattern of Value.
Human Life has Intellectual, Social, Biological and Inorganic components. The
MoQ explains how these for components interact. Christianity has become one
of many front lines of battle between social and Intellectual values, as each
level tries to simultaneously respond to DQ.
To say Metaphysics only applies to one area of life is like saying Gravity
only applies to one area of life. Life is lived in a Gravitational field
(Inorganic pattern of value) on Earth - it is ignored but a crucial part of living.
Metaphysics is a crucial part of living for many people who value Intellectual
patterns. Intellectual life for these people strives for the best and most
valued intellectual patterns, and that pattern is, for me, the Metaphysics of
Quality.
The MoQ is superior to religion as it explains more in terms of empirical
experience.
Sam:
To broaden the impact of the
MoQ into wider areas (eg how to relate to each other) is, I feel, to turn it
into a religion -
something which a number of contributors here do seem to do, but one which I
think is impossible.
Mark 17-4-04: The Metaphysics of Quality is an Intellectual pattern of Value.
People are composed of four levels of evolutionary related patterns of value.
These values describe how people relate to each other. This is a matter of
empirical verification. It is not impossible, it is an intellectual practice of
responding creatively in SQ-SQ tension.
Mark
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