From: David Buchanan (DBuchanan@ClassicalRadio.org)
Date: Sun May 02 2004 - 18:18:38 BST
Steve and all MOQers:
dmb had egged:
..I don't see the idea at all. ..Just please concentrate on making your own
thoughts clear. (Maybe I can egg you on by saying that you should do it just
to prove to me that you can make your thoughts clear, because I'm very
skeptical at this point.)
Steve refried:
You can't egg me on in that way. I don't feel that I need to prove
anything to you. I don't think that you approach many of these
discussions with a sincere desire to reach understanding and to seek
truth. It just sounds like you're itchin' for a fight.
dmb replies:
I wish you wouldn't see it that way. Its a show stopper. I mean, don't you
think I've engaged with your views and opinions in a direct and specific
way? My egging-on wasn't suppose to send you off in a huff. Quite the
contrary. I'm practically on my knees begging for clarity. Why should this
offend people so much? I wish someone would be so direct and specific with
my posts. I think that's what its all about. It takes two to tango - at
least. I really don't get it. If I'd made an assertion repeatedly and
someone asked me serious questions about it, I'd be thrilled. I'd be
flattered. Instead, you have replied with insults and refusals. Bummer. I
guess the only sane thing to do around here is to make peace with
disappointment and frustration.
Steve continued:
...When you say that I don't express my thoughts clearly enough, you may
very well be right. (I do the best I can.) However, I suspect that a key
impediment to your understanding is that you read posts looking for
opportunities to comment rather than to understand or to learn. Most of the
time I feel like you are performing for an audience rather than conversing
with me. I'm glad to learn from you and everyone else in this group when I
can, but I've lost hope that you are a part of this discussion for the same
reason, so I see no reason to entertain your disingenuous invitations to
enlighten you. As far as I can tell, you see enlightening others as your
department.
dmb replies:
I'm not seeking enlightenment from you. I simply want to understand what
you're saying. You've repeatedly scolded me for talking about people and the
levels in a certain way. I've never understood the reasons for it or what
you were talking about. I would have thought that everyone wants to be
understood, most especially in a place like this. And MOST especially
because you started it! Its you who wants me to stop doing something and I
only want to know what it is I'm supposed to stop. How dare me ask what it
is! Jeez, I'm such a jerk. I hate myself.
...I think its safe to say that you have over-reacted wildly here and
revealed an anger and resentment that has little to do with my specific
question.
Fine. Hold a grudge. Let it destroy a perfectly good conversation. Go ahead.
There's nothing I can do about it. But don't complain if I fail to heed your
objections or respect your opinions. Cause if you ain't talkin, I just CAN'T
know what they are.
Sadly,
dmb
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