Re: MD The Individual Level

From: Joe (jhmau@sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon May 03 2004 - 04:23:30 BST

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    On 30 April 2004 9:16 PM David Buchanan writes to Steve:
    Steve said:
    Both are included in the whole person since a person is a forest of
    static patterns, but I don't see how the social level is included in
    the intellectual level which I understand as including only patterns of
    thought.

    dmb says:
    The myths, rituals and languages that developed as parts of the social level
    are included in the intellect. Thinking, in the intellectual sense, comes
    only AFTER these social level patterns have evolved and is a necessary
    partof the intellect. We can't exclude social level patterns of values from
    the
    intellect any more than we can exclude the brain or the atoms of which it is
    made. All levels are included in the fourth. Think about it, Steve. How
    could it be otherwise. Thoughts without language? No way.

    Hi DMB, Steve, and all:

    joe: IMO the social order does not set the table for the intellectual order.
    I can not see that myths, rituals, and languages are a preparation for
    evolution. The individual sentient is not built in layers. If an
    individual sentient seems to be more organic, or social, or intellectual
    this seems to be based on a center of gravity, not on evolution.

    If I accept a metaphysics based on science (understood as epistemological
    pluralism, where the bounds of the laboratory extend beyond the chemistry
    lab), I feel that I am committed to further evolution. The thrust of my
    studies would indicate that over time sentients are getting better and
    better.

    If I accept a metaphysics based on an evolutionary morality including a
    mystical experience of DQ SQ quality, then my basis for sentients becoming
    better is morality. Over time sentients may be getting worse by being more
    immoral.

    Joe Maurer

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