Re: MD Morality of deadly force

From: Mark Steven Heyman (markheyman@infoproconsulting.com)
Date: Sat May 08 2004 - 20:22:50 BST

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    Hi Plat et al,

    Ok, Platt. I'm ready to take a crack at your question, which is:

    " Do you agree with Pirsig's moral structure as exemplified in the
    above quotes?"

    I'll analyze those quotes, below. First, as has been said before, in
    deciding to accept ANY metaphysics one necessarily accepts certain
    unverifyable premises. The decision to accept these premises, for
    me, is based upon two factors: how well the premises correspond
    to my own experience of reality, and the overall explanatory power of
    the metaphysics. So, I may accept a premise even if it doesn't
    completely square with my own experience and understanding of
    reality, if doing so "kick-starts" a highly explanatory and useful
    metaphysics. Or, if a premise is weak but the metaphysics powerful,
    I might be inclined to "tweak" the premise in order to save the
    metaphysics. If a premise is irretrievably out of sync with my sense
    of reality, then I'm afraid I'd have to toss the bath water, and the
    baby too. Pirsig/Phaedrus himself does this in ZMM, when studying
    philosophy in India, when a remark by his philosophy professor
    causes him to leave the classroom, and India, and give up:

            "But one day in the classroom the professor of philosophy was
    blithely expounding on the illusory nature of the world for
    what seemed the fiftieth time and Phaedrus raised his hand and asked
    coldly if it was believed that the atomic bombs that had
    dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were illusory. The professor
    smiled and said yes. That was the end of the exchange."
    (ZMM-PB, Page 126)

    Finally, a word about the quotations presented by Platt in his
    original post. The first quote, In the text, is really two
    paragraphs, not one. The second paragraph begins "Taken by
    itself..." This is no big deal since the paragraphs are sequential,
    and the context is easily determined. The second quote is fine.

    But the third quote is misleading. It is presented as a single
    paragraph when in fact it is composed of two paragraphs, the first
    coming several pages after the second, thus placing both paragraphs
    out of context. Quoting in this way gives the illusion of thought
    continuity and mutual support, where in fact none may exist. I'll
    try to provide context and continuity in my analysis.

    ANALYSIS OF QUOTE 1
    For the purpose of my analysis, I'll divide Quote 1 into three
    distinct ideas. Here they are:

    Pirsig Idea 1) "In general, given a choice of two courses to follow
    and all other things being equal, that choice which is more Dynamic,
    that is, at a higher level of evolution, is more moral. "

    msh
    I agree with this completely. I accept the four primary levels of
    moral reality, as discussed in my previous post, as being both
    consistent with my sense of reality, as well as the underpinnings of
    a powerful explanatory system of thought, the MOQ. I accept that
    morality increases as we move from inorganic to biological to
    social/cultural to intellectual, and that where these levels come
    into conflict, the higher level, being more dynamic, has moral
    precedence.

    Pirsig Idea 2) "An example of this is the statement that, "It's more
    moral for a doctor to kill a germ than to allow the germ to
    kill his patient." The germ wants to live. The patient wants to live.
    But the patient has moral precedence because he's at a higher level
    of evolution."

    msh
    Ok, this is something different. This is saying that, within the
    biological level, there is at work a secondary moral hierarchy. Here
    Pirsig appears to say that biological evolution, in the Darwinian
    sense, is equivalent to moral evolution, so that beings at the
    "lower" end of the biological spectrum have less moral "value" than
    those "above." This to me is one of those unverifyable principles
    that needs a little tweaking, which is why I put quotes around the
    words lower, value, and above.

    I think it's important, for clarity's sake, to maintain a distinction
    between moral evolution, as seen in progressing through the four
    primary levels or moral reality, and biological evolution. Most
    evolution biologists, I think, disdain the use of the words "higher"
    and "lower" in describing a species' orientation with respect to the
    biological continuum. If they don't, they should. The reason is
    that such a distinction invites precisely the sort of interpretation
    Pirsig appears to offer, that is that some beings are axiomatically
    of "higher" value than others. I think a better way of putting it is
    that, within biological evolution, some beings are more complex than
    others, and that this complexity, within and between species, seems
    to increase over time.

    So I see the action of the bear who kills the hunter who's
    threatening herself and her cubs as every bit as moral as the man who
    kills the threatening germ. I therefore reject the principle as
    stated in the quote. However, the MOQ is so valuable that I am
    unwilling to toss it out with this only murky bath water. Instead,
    I'll do a little filtering. I'd like to amend this principle to
    include the a priori idea that there is no need to place more "value"
    on one species over another, or on one individual over another within
    a species. That is, I would like to expand Pirsig's "principle of
    human equality" (LILA-14) to include non-human beings as well.

    But now we have a problem. If we can't say that a man is more
    valuable than a germ, then how do we decide when and if it is moral
    for ANY being to destroy another. In an attempt to solve this
    problem, I suggest we make full use of the intellectual moral level,
    and let IDEAS lead the way. If we further amend the original
    principle to include the idea of reasonably perceived threat, as it
    is commonly understood, the MOQ is back on its feet again. So if
    it's reasonable to believe that the germ threatens the man, then it's
    moral for the man to destroy the germ. But this also means that if
    the germ poses no reasonably perceived threat, it is IMMORAL for
    the man to kill the germ, or the housefly, or the lizard, or the
    bear, or another man or group of men.

    Now, of course, the question of what's reasonable, and what's not, is
    a whole other philosophical issue to be explored. And, in the case
    of the mother bear defending herself and her cubs, it's certainly a
    mistake of anthropomorphism to say that the bear made a "rational"
    decision to kill the threatening man. But we animals who
    philosophize can also empathize, so we should be able to characterize
    her actions as reasonable, and therefore influence any decision we
    might make regarding her future.

    So, with my amended principle of moral preference determination (at
    the biological level) in hand, I am able to move on to Idea 3 of
    Quote 1.

    Pirsig Idea 3) "Taken by itself that seems obvious enough. But what's
    not so obvious is that, given a value-centered Metaphysics of
    Quality, it is absolutely, scientifically moral for a doctor to
    prefer the patient. This is not just an arbitrary social convention
    that should apply to some doctors but not to all doctors, or to some
    cultures but not all cultures. It's true for all people at all times,
    now and forever, a moral pattern of reality as real as H20. We're at
    last dealing with morals on the basis of reason. We can now deduce
    codes based on evolution that analyze moral arguments with greater
    precision than before." (Lila, 13)

    msh
    As long as the principle of moral preference determination stated in
    Idea 1 is amended to include the idea of value equality within and
    between species, as well as the idea of reasonably perceived threat,
    as described by me above, then I agree completely with Pirsig's Idea
    3. In fact, I look forward to applying these ideas in all my
    affairs.

    Platt, I'll go ahead and post this response to Quote 1, and address
    the other two Quotes in separate messages. Gotta go to work.

    Thanks to all for any constructive feedback.

    Best,
    Mark Heyman

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