From: Wim Nusselder (wim.nusselder@antenna.nl)
Date: Thu May 13 2004 - 07:16:27 BST
Dear Platt,
You wrote 12 May 2004 20:26:02 -0400:
'I didn't need a poll to confirm what from my experience I already knew.'
I'm glad the 59% is overestimated, but what DO you know from your experience
about the irrationality of Americans?
I'm not used to bashing the USA (only to have different political opinions
from the average American as -but to a lesser degree- from the average
European). If I would, I wouldn't have been so shocked by this statistic.
What has this to do with the MoQ? Well, I thought to first establish some
intersubjective truth (agreement on interpretation of experience) before
bringing that up, knowing that both you and David B. will probably disagree
with me:
For me both rational and irrational thinking occurs at the 4th level (to the
extent that it is symbolic, and if interpreting Revelations isn't symbolic,
nothing is). I'm usually happy to follow Wilber-like schedules as
description of evolution of 4th level patterns of values (evolution within
that level). Rational thinking is more advanced than irrational thinking
(and is superseded again by post-rational thinking, which integrates
emotion, intuition and sensory perception).
In my adapted version of the MoQ (compared to Pirsig) I would prefer to call
the 4th level 'symbolic' (refering to his definition of it in 'Lila's
child') and the 3th level 'habitual'. It is my interpretation of the 3th
level that differs most from Pirsig's one, I think. This level (consisting
of patterns of behaviour that are neither latched in the genes nor
premeditatedly performed) isn't involved when people formulate/motivate
their ideas/actions rationally or irrationally.
With friendly greetings,
Wim
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