From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Sat May 22 2004 - 13:47:28 BST
Alicia:
> > PH:
> > At their own level, these beastly behaviors are moral. But they are
> > detrimental to the health of the human social level which depends on
> > peace,
> > production and propriety to survive. So terrorism (murder, mugging,
> > mayhem),
> > stealing (burglary, hijacking, embezzlement), and lying (swindling,
> > cheating,
> > counterfeiting), are considered crimes by most societies.
>
> AD:
> OK. but don't use such specifically human words to describe animals.
All words are human words. I take it you object to the words "biological
crimes" as well as the words "Law of the Jungle."
> > PH:
> > Given Pirsig's evolutionary moral hierarchy, the term "biological
> > crimes"
> > against society makes perfect sense. As he says, you cannot defeat
> > crime by
> > words. You can only defeat crime by meeting it on its own terms.
>
> AD:
> right. i think we'll all pretty much agreed on this.
It's good when we all can agree on an interpretation of the MOQ.
> the problem is
> figuring out what actions are biologically motivated. Do you, Platt,
> think that every instance of stealing, 'terrorism' (you've used that
> term extremely broadly), or lying is a biological crime against
> society? IMO there are instances when someone may do one of those
> things to maintain, better or otherwise purposefully affect theirs or
> someone else's social position.
Agree. Pirsig gave us broad moral principles, not a prescription for making
right choices under all circumstances.
Platt
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